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All Forum Posts by: Benjamin Cowles

Benjamin Cowles has started 92 posts and replied 441 times.

Originally posted by @Ned Carey:

Generally you do not borrow the down payment.  Most time the lender in 1st position will not allow it. They want YOU to have money in the deal so you have a strong incentive to make the deal work.

Save up and invest your own money is by far the most common. While No money down is possible and @Brandon Turner wrote a book on the subject it is not the norm. Even when you can structure a no money down it is still wise to have cash reserves for inevitable problems. 

 Thanks Ned

Originally posted by @Jake Hartnett:

A few common strategies:

Find a partner. Maybe you put down 10% and they put down 20% and you split it 50/50.

BRRRR. Buy with hard money, fix it up and refinance so you have little or no money in it.

Seller financing. The seller carries a 20% second with a 1-2 year balloon, or finances 80-100% with or without a balloon.

If its a home run deal someone will finance it.

 Thank you! "Find a partner". Forgot about that. Split it as a last resort. definitely something to look into. 

I've heard of that brrrr method. But again you'd need conventional financing at least after the hard money for rehab. Right now the best I'm looking to qualify for is a no doc loan which requires 30% so that's my starting point. 

So yeah, I've just got to find that deal, that situation where I can get something with enough equity to make a second loan to look attractive.

Thanks

Post: Our REIA Meeting With DBPR: re what is unlicensed brokering

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32

how old is Brian's daughter?

$10k a month??  10k/4 weeks/... =about 3 haircuts an hour at what... $25 a haircut?  I haven't gotten one in over 20 years.  holy sh$! I was senior in highschool trying to look good for the ladies.  hmm, interestingly haven't had much luck with them since then.  Anyway, that was gross income no?  Sounds like a good scalable gig.  Just wanted to let you know someone read your post after 12 months lol.  Oh, *bump* on the types of loans you're seeking.  I'm sure you've already looked but I'll just throw this in:

no doc/stated income loans

I specified your area but I think they usually cover many states anyway.

edit: I haven't PAID for one in over 20 years I should have said. I'm well groomed as you can see.

In search to find as much financing possible I'm running into a 70% ltv max. what one should expect to find if they can't qualify for conventional or better right? so what then now?

I'm sure I've read my solution somewhere but my brain only remembers so much. first of all, who funds second loans? people looking to make good returns who trust you? how would that even work especially as I've no track record i wouldn't have much confidence to sell someone on my word. But I don't think I even know anyone who'd be able. 

Is the next logical step to look into how to add more equity to the deal to make the second loan safer? 

Is this basically how it works i.e. say you have under contract a million dollar property under contract for 200k needing 200k rehab you'd get 2nd and 3rd loans all day? 

What other routes can i explore to get those ever-elusive zero to little out pocket financed deals?

Without friends/family or qualifications to get funding >70% ltv, how can I get at least another 15% ltv covered on top of that 70% or all together? 

Just keep searching for that motivated enough seller? just trying to fish for ideas i may have missed so far. thanks

Originally posted by @Mindy Jensen:

@Benjamin Cowles, Notify me of follow up comments should only give you comments if anyone replies to the comment you made. 

 I think I get indiscriminate notificationsb because after each blog I post on I get this email to "confirm follow" thinking that if I don't it won't have me follow. If I ignore this email will I still get notifications for just replies to my post? 

Post: "flex option agreement"

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Brian Gibbons:

'I have taught this with the title: Non-Exclusive Option to Purchase.

Another name is
"You can sell it or I can sell it."

Just like an option flip but allowing the owner rights to sell too.

Brian

 ah, thanks for so nicley fitting that into a nutshell.

Post: Hard Money Lending

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @David Faulkner:

Another creative option to consider may be to do a JV with Grandma whereby she supplies the property and you supply the material and labor and agree on a reasonable split of the profits upon the sale. You may make less money this way, but you could likely avoid hard money all together and substantially decrease your risk. Granny likely gets a bigger payday but shares some of the risk. Or Granny could partner on the debt side instead of equity and owner finance. A few options to consider and perhaps propose ... you will need a lawyer to review, advise, and draft agreements if you choose these routes to make sure it gets executed properly. Good luck!

 'granny this, 'granny that' lol. But good suggestion. Currently trying to get that strategy ingrained in my head as like a third/fourth option, or even earlier as you mentioned less risk for a beginner like myself. I guess as always have an attorney look it over. So these options basically come down to either a business partnership or loan agreement? 

or just any secondary loan. How does the lender benefit from a 2nd mortgage? A higher interest rate? Is that it? From what I understand with a subordinate mortgage there is no room for any collateral for any loan below the first. So.. a higher rate and credit requirement is what I should expect? 

A lender is offering 70% LTV at 8% interest rate. So it would be nice to cover some of that 30% down payment.

Or should I do a buy and hold deal 50/50 with a partner to split that down  payment and I was thinking taking advantage of the opportunity to get experience partnering with someone seems like a good person to work with?

what are common methods/strategies to cover the down payment? So far I've quickly got in the habit of bringing up seller financing and in the short of time I've been doing this and the shamefully little work I've done I'm surprised to report I've talked to a few at least open to the idea. But however I work it I'm wondering what my options could be with financing the down payment. 

Post: What exactly are "all closing costs" investors promise to pay

Benjamin CowlesPosted
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 469
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Larry Turowski:

@Benjamin Cowles You can define closing costs with specificity in your actually purchase and sale contract.  What you'll want to pay are typical closing costs.  Things like, title search, survey, recording fee, maybe sales tax, atty fees in some states, etc.  Not liens and such. 

Closing costs for the buyer and seller are somewhat different from state to state and maybe from county to county. 

You really need to ask another investor, title company or lawyer.

Thanks. Yeah, I think hold that statement until I know exactly what all typical closing costs are around here. Well, I guess the point is for convenience and someone has to pay them so it works out that I pay them so long as I figure them into my calculations but I guess I'm worried I'll underestimate them or somehow something that doesn't belong in there or necessarily needs to be paid ends up in there or something.  Eh, I'll figure it out. When in doubt plead ignorance and apologize and/or cry. Lol