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All Forum Posts by: Julie Chai

Julie Chai has started 7 posts and replied 71 times.

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Henry T.:

I'm glad I saw this post. I just saw their ad (Booking.com) and wondered what they'd be like. LOL.  I have no experience with them and now I'm glad I don't. I just wanted to add or suggest not to book one nighters, and don't instant book. Isn't that usually the bottom of the barrel clientele?


Henry, I'm glad you saw this in time too lol.  It was a two night book but the red flag I missed was they were "locals".  After this, I've since updated my listing and asked for names and age of each guest before approving their reservation.  Hopefully this helps.  I'm afraid if I don't put instant booking on, I won't get any inquiries.  So far, I don't have any bookings in the near or far future.  My calendar is currently empty :(((((

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Ben Scarborough:
Quote from @Julie Chai:

I just signed up for Booking.com and got my first reservation within a week and turned out they were a bad guest.  The guest had brought additional guests than they listed on the reservation, doesn't respond to my messages/concerns, left my front door wide open when they left.  I was trying to find host reviews about booking.com but couldn't find any. I guess only guests can leave reviews for the property but there's no option (that I see) for hosts to leave guest reviews like AirBnB.  It also takes longer for me to receive my payment where AirBnb and Vrbo payout almost immediately.

Any pros/cons or advise/suggestions on booking.com???  Should I keep my listing on there?  Or is this a bad platform for hosts?


Thanks!

Hey Julie!

I have one of my STRs listed on Airbnb, VRBO, Booking.com, and have a direct booking site for it. I honestly think it was just a bad coincidence that your first guest on booking.com was a bad one. I have been listed on there for about 8 months now and have had no issues really. 

For pros/cons of booking.com I would say the following...

Pros:
-if you use guesty you can sync your airbnb info into your booking.com listing info to ease the set up process
-there are more options to check off in the amenities portion of the listing set up, so you can really display the uniqueness of your property
-I would wager 90% of self-managing str hosts only list on up to VRBO/Airbnb, which means there are not nearly as many options for people to choose between, which means more exposure for your listing
-rumor has it that booking.com just invested a large sum of money into building out their services to provide more vacation home listings rather than hotels.
-Booking.com is a very large and established company that has been around much longer than airbnb and vrbo

Cons:
-more listings to make sure are all staying maintained assuming you are also on airbnb and vrbo
-you have to pay them their commission back at the end of each month which is a pain in the a** and is an unnecessary extra step
-payouts can take longer as you mentioned
-it has been impossible for me to find anyway to contact customer service over the phone and instead you have to refer to their forums and FAQs for any answers you need.

Hope you found this helpful. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions, happy to help!

-Ben Scarborough

Hi Ben, 

I think the Cons out weight the Pros for Booking.com. Not being able to reach customer service is one of the most important things that a host needs and it's also my deal breaker.  Reading their forums and FAQ does not help me solve a problem that I'm currently in... and WHYYYY is it do hard to reach customer service?  Even when I did reach them the first time,  the other person on the other line sounds like a moron who doesn't know how to help.  When I made my claim, it says I have to wait 14 days for the guest to respond and I'll know if it was approved if I see a deposit for my claim in my account.  That's absurd! How can anyone say this platform is great?  I just don't understand.

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Wendy Schultz:
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Wendy Schultz:

Terrible! We had two fraudulent bookings back to back and got no support. We stopped using them 

How recent did this happen? How was it fraudulent?  Any details would help us understand how booking.com works with claims...

This was several years ago now. TThey would only give me back the commission they charged. Here's the red flags that we had missed when we were still fairly green: 

This was several years ago now. TThey would only give me back the commission they charged. Here's the red flags that we had missed when we were still fairly green: 

1) Credit card declined so they gave us a different card from their "sister"
2) Booked last minute
3) Locals
4) We had even asked for an ID so they sent a fake passport but the name was spelled slightly off
They had parties at the property and destroyed some things. Then when the real owner of the credit card number found the charge, they did a charge back. We had some decent guests too but not enough to risk it.  




 Thanks for sharing Wendy.  Booking.com now has a future where they'll collect the guests payments on your behalf, so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.  My guests also booked last minute and were locals... I was feeling sketchy but approved it anyway.  Now I know! 

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Ryan Moyer:
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Joel Case:

I have been online with my STR for seven months and have had 2 or 3 bookings come from Booking.com. The guests seem to expect a hotel like experience as far as communication goes, but the guests I have had have been great from Booking.com. My crappy guests (but also the majority of my revenue) have all come from AirBnB.

I'm going to hang in there for a few more weeks and see what happens. I just received my 2nd booking on booking.com yesterday for a one nighter (2 adults, 4 kids)....hopefully they'll be ok.  Since Booking.com now has an option to discount rates depending on how many guests stay...I realized that's what happened with my first guest (that left my door wide open after checking out)!  They only listed 2 guests to get the cheaper rate. So I've opted out of that option now and even raised my prices $10 more a night compared to my AirBnb rates.  I'm hoping this will help filter out the bad ghetto guests.

 I have also learned through experience not to be the bargain option among comparable homes. Now I regularly review my prices among my 3-4 direct competitors and adjust my prices to ensure that I am not the lowest priced option whenever I can prevent it. But I also make sure that my property has the most amenities as well, so it's not targeted at the budget shoppers. 

I use Hospitable for a channel manager and it supports AirBnB, VRBO, and Booking.com so I have listed on all three. It also allows you to set a percentage differential for pricing between platforms. 

 Were you able to get the booking.com messaging working on Hospitable?  I went through the setup process meticulously like 5 times, and it says everything is fine, support thinks everything is fine, but I don't get any booking.com messages in Hospitable, nor do the automated messages get sent out.

It seems like quite the hack/workaround they have set up with booking.com so I'm wondering if it really works reliably at all.

No I haven't tried Hospitable yet.... or any third party to help yet because I'm not profiting enough.  I only have one STR listing so I can manage it myself. I was thinking about using Guesty For Host, if I were to use a third party.  That's what Robuilt uses for his. Check it out Ryan.

Hospitable saves me $25 a month in time, so it essentially pays for itself. Same for Pricelabs. These are the only two things I pay for. I self manage, work a full-time w2, and only have one property.

Quote from @Ryan Moyer:
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Joel Case:

I have been online with my STR for seven months and have had 2 or 3 bookings come from Booking.com. The guests seem to expect a hotel like experience as far as communication goes, but the guests I have had have been great from Booking.com. My crappy guests (but also the majority of my revenue) have all come from AirBnB.

I'm going to hang in there for a few more weeks and see what happens. I just received my 2nd booking on booking.com yesterday for a one nighter (2 adults, 4 kids)....hopefully they'll be ok. Since Booking.com now has an option to discount rates depending on how many guests stay...I realized that's what happened with my first guest (that left my door wide open after checking out)! They only listed 2 guests to get the cheaper rate. So I've opted out of that option now and even raised my prices $10 more a night compared to my AirBnb rates. I'm hoping this will help filter out the bad ghetto guests.

I have also learned through experience not to be the bargain option among comparable homes. Now I regularly review my prices among my 3-4 direct competitors and adjust my prices to ensure that I am not the lowest priced option whenever I can prevent it. But I also make sure that my property has the most amenities as well, so it's not targeted at the budget shoppers.

I use Hospitable for a channel manager and it supports AirBnB, VRBO, and Booking.com so I have listed on all three. It also allows you to set a percentage differential for pricing between platforms.

Were you able to get the booking.com messaging working on Hospitable? I went through the setup process meticulously like 5 times, and it says everything is fine, support thinks everything is fine, but I don't get any booking.com messages in Hospitable, nor do the automated messages get sent out.

It seems like quite the hack/workaround they have set up with booking.com so I'm wondering if it really works reliably at all.

I believe Booking.com messaging works in Hospitable for me, yes. The actual Booking.com site is crap and I have had issues with it, but the integration with Hospitable has not caused me any issue yet. 


 I'm not willing to pay $25 just yet.  I pay for pricelabs too.  I just copy and paste the rate from there and mark up $10 per night now. But like I said, I snoozed my booking.com for now. Hopefully I'll get something from Airbnb next. I like their platform the best so far.

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Frank Barletta:
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Frank Barletta:

I'm sorry to read this. Wishing you well in this endeavor!

Thanks I'll need it!  I'll post about the outcome of this claim also. 

 Just take a ton of pictures and accurately file the claim with quotes and invoices. I did an AirCoverage claim and got it all covered. Was $4K in damages. 

It SUCKED but it was fine.

Wow that's crazy! Congrats on getting your money back! I sent pictures of the mess my cleaner sent (ashes, cigar wrappings for their blunts, piss left in the toilet, kitchen sink mess, iron burnt mark on my rug), told them they had more guests and left my front door wide open after checking out......But I'm only claiming the damaged rug because nothing else was really "damaged" . I'm just trying to get a feel how they deal with problems. Will update the results after.

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Ryan Moyer:
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Joel Case:

I have been online with my STR for seven months and have had 2 or 3 bookings come from Booking.com. The guests seem to expect a hotel like experience as far as communication goes, but the guests I have had have been great from Booking.com. My crappy guests (but also the majority of my revenue) have all come from AirBnB.

I'm going to hang in there for a few more weeks and see what happens. I just received my 2nd booking on booking.com yesterday for a one nighter (2 adults, 4 kids)....hopefully they'll be ok.  Since Booking.com now has an option to discount rates depending on how many guests stay...I realized that's what happened with my first guest (that left my door wide open after checking out)!  They only listed 2 guests to get the cheaper rate. So I've opted out of that option now and even raised my prices $10 more a night compared to my AirBnb rates.  I'm hoping this will help filter out the bad ghetto guests.

 I have also learned through experience not to be the bargain option among comparable homes. Now I regularly review my prices among my 3-4 direct competitors and adjust my prices to ensure that I am not the lowest priced option whenever I can prevent it. But I also make sure that my property has the most amenities as well, so it's not targeted at the budget shoppers. 

I use Hospitable for a channel manager and it supports AirBnB, VRBO, and Booking.com so I have listed on all three. It also allows you to set a percentage differential for pricing between platforms. 

 Were you able to get the booking.com messaging working on Hospitable?  I went through the setup process meticulously like 5 times, and it says everything is fine, support thinks everything is fine, but I don't get any booking.com messages in Hospitable, nor do the automated messages get sent out.

It seems like quite the hack/workaround they have set up with booking.com so I'm wondering if it really works reliably at all.

No I haven't tried Hospitable yet.... or any third party to help yet because I'm not profiting enough.  I only have one STR listing so I can manage it myself. I was thinking about using Guesty For Host, if I were to use a third party.  That's what Robuilt uses for his. Check it out Ryan.

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Wendy Schultz:

Terrible! We had two fraudulent bookings back to back and got no support. We stopped using them 

How recent did this happen? How was it fraudulent?  Any details would help us understand how booking.com works with claims...

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Frank Barletta:

I'm sorry to read this. Wishing you well in this endeavor!

Thanks I'll need it!  I'll post about the outcome of this claim also. 

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Frank Barletta:
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @Frank Barletta:
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Frank Barletta:

Yes.

VRBO has its own Expanded Distribution Network which includes Expedia Distribution brands, such as:

  • Travelocity
  • CheapTickets
  • Orbitz
  • Expedia
  • Trivago
  • KAYAK
  • Other affiliates that specialize in vacation rentals.

I get < 10% of bookings from VRBO in my markets so this is my experience.


 That's so weird that VRBO has its own network and yet we get only a small percentage of bookings from them... Thanks for that info Frank.


 Airbnb brand is strong 💪


 Correction, AirBnB marketing is strong. 

They don’t spend money though 🤓

I agree.  I have no future reservations on my books right now :(

I put my VRBO rates are slightly lower than AirBnb to try to get intrigue more guests from them but I guess that doesn't work lol.  So my 1st booking.com guest left my home in a mess, smoked in the property and left an iron mark on my rug.  Making my first claim now.  Let's see how this goes. This can be my deal breaker to decide if I'm going to keep my listing on there.

Post: Is Booking.com a good platform to use for hosts?

Julie ChaiPosted
  • Investor
  • La Palma, CA
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Frank Barletta:

Yes.

VRBO has its own Expanded Distribution Network which includes Expedia Distribution brands, such as:

  • Travelocity
  • CheapTickets
  • Orbitz
  • Expedia
  • Trivago
  • KAYAK
  • Other affiliates that specialize in vacation rentals.

I get < 10% of bookings from VRBO in my markets so this is my experience.


 That's so weird that VRBO has its own network and yet we get only a small percentage of bookings from them... Thanks for that info Frank.