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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 3 posts and replied 141 times.

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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  • San Antonio, TX
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@Lucas Lykins  Thanks, that's an important piece of information. Thanks for the link.

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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  • San Antonio, TX
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@Lucas Lykins Thanks for your post! Are you saying they require the 2 active or pending comps? Or that they can be added? Either way, it makes you wonder why the 2 pending sales on the street weren’t included. Btw, would you happen to have a link to this?

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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  • San Antonio, TX
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@Melissa Gittens Apparently that's the case! Either way you went, it was expensive to rehab. They were all duplexes at the time, so we left them that way. It resulted in significantly more income than SFH. Looks like he may have the last laugh though!

We're currently waiting for the rebuttal to this appraisal, and for the other two appraisals to take place. If need be though we'll just take them off the market. They've been good rental properties now for about 6 years. And it's unfortunate, I was surprised at how much interest there was on the part of younger people to live in one and rent one out. Looks like they may lose out on that idea. It was interesting though that there was considerably more interest in our duplexes than the one SFH that is currently on the market at that same price.

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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  • San Antonio, TX
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@Joe Splitrock Thanks for your comments.  So what I may have failed to get across is that these duplexes are all on the national historic registry.  They have a particular kind of uniqueness to them for buildings that were built in 1890.  These were completely rehabbed a few years back.  By rehab I mean they were gutted.  Everything in them was new, from electric and plumbing, to items as small as nails.  Literally everything new inside.  I'd say one problem here is that the appraiser didn't understand what had been done to the building, or the area where it exists.  That was probably my agents fault.  Nonetheless, I think the appraier approached the  duplexes as  boxes, a certain size, etc etc.  Condition I don't think he really considered, because as you know he was not inside the comps, just my property.  All of the comps were older buildings, they just had not been rehabbed other than perhaps superficial stuff like paint.  Perhaps you know that old buildings many times have the old knob and tube wiring.  And then there was the issue of the area.  None of his comps were in the same zip code.  This is an urban area.  5.5 miles can be the difference between night and day.  

Let me give you an example though.  We also sold a duplex right next to the subject property.  The buyer was represented by her agent, but we did not have a listing agent on that one.  So it is not in the comps at this time.  We sold that property to her for $134K.  The reason was it needed significant rehab.  I estimated perhaps $70K.  The buyer estimated $90K.  It was appraised, yesterday the results came in.  I don't have  the price, but it appraised.  So we're now in the peculiar position of have a property in need of significant rehab, appraised for $10K more, sitting next to a property that has been fully  rehabbed.  

The comps in the low appraisal were all out of the area, all varying distances from the subject property. He had 6 comps. Several were over 5 miles away. He had a few that were 3-5 miles. The areas though are significantly different, again, urban areas are that way. And again, he should have used the pending sales on the street according to other appraisers I have spoken with. Are they complete? No. But they are more or less exact comps, in the exact area. They have been inspected. The buyers have been approved. We're waiting for appraisals on them. One of them though is an FHA loan, so it may be that that appraiser will see the first appraisal. There is one conventional loan that may not see that, so we could get a fresh appraisal.

Either way, I agree with your conclusion.  I think it's an  uphill battle.  As I mentioned prior in the thread, we have a rebuttal in to the appraisal.  The rebuttal was signed off on by the buyer.  The rebuttal was reviewed by the lender, who agreed with us, and have forwarded it to an the appraisal company that hired this particular appraiser.  It will be reviewed.  We'll see how that comes out.  

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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@Michael Kuo Thanks for posting that link.  Quite informative.  Here's what is happening now in this situation:

Challenge the appraisal. This option is a bit of a long shot. Only the appraiser’s client — the lender — can demand a review of the appraisal, and only the buyer can request a review or a second appraisal. As the seller, you can support the buyer in this effort by sharing the competitive market analysis that you received from your agent or by giving her the results of an independent appraisal, if you have one. You also can offer to split the cost of a second appraisal if the lender agrees.

This route has long odds because the decision is ultimately up to the lender, and the lender doesn’t have the same investment in the transaction that the buyer and seller have. If the lender doesn’t have a compelling reason to doubt the appraisal, then that tends to be the end of the line. (In my experience, only a small percentage of these requests are granted.)

The buyer signed off on the request for a review.  Information has been provided by the listing agent.  And at this point, the lender is in agreement.  What remains is a review by a panel of appraisers.

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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@Russell Brazil Actually I'm told that an appraisal can include closed sales, pending sales, or active listings.  it must have at least 3 closed sales.  Others can be used, and in this case, happen to be on the same street within buildings of each other ie pending sales.  All the information may not be known, but what they do know is the most recent and timely.

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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@Russell Brazil Would there be any reason you would not want to use other sales of duplexes on the same street? There were 3 duplexes sold around $190K, they show as pending in the MLS.

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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  • San Antonio, TX
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@Dennis M.  Obviously that could be the case.  But on the one hand on that street we have 3 duplexes sold to independent buyers all with their own real estate agents at $190K, and on the other hand, we have an appraiser who went ignored those sales and went 5.5 miles out of the area to find a comp for $125K. Frankly, I'd like to buy one at $125K myself!  Either way, a new piece of information today.  The lender agreed with my agents rebuttal when they did a review of all the facts.  They have now forwarded it to the Appraisal manager with the Appraisal company, who is having a panel of appraisers take a look.  We should find out their opinion in the next several days.  What this really comes down to is whether buyers and sellers make a market, or does an appraiser make the market.

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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Actually my plan, such as it is, was to pay the tax.  Maybe I could enlist Uncle Sam to speak to the appraiser for me! Lol!  What do you think?

Post: Appraisal Came in Very, Very Low!

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@Steve Vaughan Not bad advice. I will consider that. As you say, the agents would be an issue, but maybe I could work it out. How does the FHA appraisal on duplex #1 affect the other FHA sale? Do you know? How about the conventional sale?