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All Forum Posts by: Jeff Petsche

Jeff Petsche has started 22 posts and replied 148 times.

Post: Looking At Rental Properties in OKLAHOMA and ARKANSAS..Thoughts?

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

Hello BP Community:

My partner and I are looking at the rental market in the following areas: 

Lawton, OK

Little Rock, AR

Fayetteville, AR

Texarkana, AR

Hot Springs, AR

Looking for feedback from anybody who has considered these markets or is already in these markets. We are finding a lot of opportunities with SFR and a few duplexes at very affordable pricing and $650+ rents (Over 1% rule). We have connected with a few wholesalers who are going to be sending properties our way. 

In running the numbers, I'm coming up with 11%+ COC each year with cash purchase. 

I've noticed a lot of VACANT properties sitting on the market, so not sure why. 

Thanks for your feedback. 

Post: 10 Abandoned Mobile Home Units Inside An Arizona Park

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

@Ken Rishel so a question because of something that came up today in a conversation with another investor. It was mentioned that the Dodd Frank guidelines were passed down to the individual state level to oversee and mange. I don't recall that being the case and that DF guidelines remain Federal and apply to every state. 

True or not? 

Post: 10 Abandoned Mobile Home Units Inside An Arizona Park

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

@Ken Rishel thank you for your post and information, and your transparency. Love these forums for this reason and as someone who has a real estate Borkers license in CA, and operates a successful residential real estate business, I for one DO NOT want to violate any compliance related matters regarding any investment strategy. 

With that said, I intend to dive deeper into the NOTE STRATEGY around mobile homes and if necessary to operate that business model ABOVE BOARD, I will solicit the help from a loan originator to create the notes for a fee and/or go get my NMLS license and become a mortgage lender/broker myself. 

I still standby my PERSONAL OPINION that a note on MOBILE HOMES should not fall within Dood Frank guidelines because it's a personal property note, not a MORTGAGE NOTE, and hopefully one day it will be changed. 

In an effort to hold the industry to a higher standard, I would recommend you re-post this response on MULTIPLE OTHER FORUMS and/or comments on YouTube videos to those operating this business because you and I both know that the majority are not following these rules, do not have a license to buy/sell mobile homes in their respective states, etc.

Thanks again for the information and the post to clarify some MIS-INFORMATION I've been given. 

Good thing I have not yet created a note huh and my deal in AZ may take a different turn..WAIT, no it won't because I'll be looking for a SOLUTION, not walk away from a deal. 

Post: Is this worth pursuing? MH in So CA

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

@Lisa Eckman this is a process called a PULL-OUT. 

An investor will purchase an old unit with the intent to remove the old unit from the park and replace it with a brand new unit. Park approval is required in almost all cases. They also typically require you to bring in a new unit that meets a certain set of specs (size, number of bedrooms/bathroom, etc.), and in some cases require you to purchase the new unit from a specific manufacturer.

Many parks (especially parks with older units) typically don't have a problem with this because it brings in newer units to dress up the parks and in some cases increase park value. The only ones that will balk at the idea is if they already have an investor group in their back pocket who does this type of business and they have exclusive rights to the park, or the owner does it themselves.  

In CA, you need to have a dealers license or retailers license to purchase and resale a mobile home that is not permanently attached to the foundation. Under the SAFE ACT, California does not allow a person to buy/sell a mobile home without a license, unless it's going to be your primary residence, then there is nothing stopping you from buying a unit directly from the seller.  

I am a real estate Broker and can buy/sell a mobile home on a permanent foundation because it is then considered REAL PROPERTY, and I can represent a seller/buyer with these types of REAL PROPERTY mobile homes.

I partner with two investors in SOCAL who do these PULL OUT projects, but I'm just the private money on deals they put together. They have the connections with the park managers and have dealers licenses to offer this type of service.

Their last project was in the Harbor City area where they bought an old unit for around $30K. Paid to have it removed and brought in a new unit that was around $85K base model and then another $20K to $25K in upgrades. They have all the contractors in place who know how to set the unit, make it earthquake safe, attach the gas lines, add in electrical boxes, build the carport awning, landscape, etc. It's a project and you NEED the connections to those who know how do to the work. With some rain it took them about four months to complete and close escrow. Normally they like to be out of the deal within 2 months. 

They had the unit sold before it was even completed and it sold for around $264K in a 55 and over park. They were all-in for around $185K (including holding cost and a few months of park rent while getting the new unit in place).

I'm currently in negotiations with them on another PULL OUT project in Pomona and another one in the same park as described above. 

This IS NOT a simple process and you absolutely need to have all the connections, proper licensing, etc. OR be in a position to be the private money investor like me on these projects and let the experts do all the work with PULL OUTS. They have the licenses, the connections, the park manager relationships, etc. 

I make a 7% PREF on my money while it's tied up in the project and 30% of the equity upon sale. I'm also the first money paid upon closing. FIRST IN and FIRST OUT. They handle everything else and have about 20% of the cash into the deal. I fund the other 80%. 

As for your comment about creating a seller financed note. Make sure you read up on DODD FRANK guidelines before going that route. Most who do this type of business ignore the Dodd Frank guidelines, which is a FEDERAL RULE and applies to all states. 

Here is a great YouTube video explaining what you can and can't regarding Dodd Frank, if you are not a licensed loan originator.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBSdQRd_Pu8&list=WL

Good luck and stay in compliance. 

Disclaimer: I'm a licensed real estate Broker in CA and the above comments are simply my opinion based on my personal research and experience. I'm not an attorney or giving any legal advise. Consult with your state guidelines and with an attorney for clarification. Any investment is risky and has no guarantees.

Post: Is a mobile home park with 25 vacant park owned homes good or bad

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

I'd use the 25% rule. If 25% of the park has vacant lots then it's a red flag and I'd want to know why. 

I'd be looking at the park manager and see if they are the reason people are leaving. 

I would look at the demand and determine if it's just not there and people would rather live in apartments or traditional housing is more affordable. 

I personally feel that mobile home parks are attractive affordable housing options in areas where the rents are high and traditional housing affordability is under 20% to 25%. 

Example: Here is Southern California, nearly all mobile home parks have 100% occupancy. I've yet to drive through a SOCAL park that was not fully occupied. 

I'm sure good management and ownership has something to do with it, but it's primarily because rents and traditional housing is just too expensive. Our affordability in Orange County is under 17%, which is CRAZY LOW.  

Post: 10 Abandoned Mobile Home Units Inside An Arizona Park

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

@Matt Bonestroo yes every state has their own rules regarding how many units you can sell without a license under the SAFE ACT. Arizona is 3 every 12 months w/o a license. And if I'm not mistaken, that's 3 per person or entity. Where I live in California it's ZERO, as are most states, and I believe there are a handful of states that are unlimited.

As for the notes: This is a great video to watch by an attorney who explains the BASICS pretty good surrounding the SAFE ACT and DODD FRANK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?

Post: 10 Abandoned Mobile Home Units Inside An Arizona Park

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

@Alex G. let me clarify my statement. Mobile homes NOT on a permanent foundation are PERSONAL PROPERTY. Mobile homes on a permanent foundation are REAL PROPERTY. 

As a real estate Broker in CA, I can sell mobile homes on permanent foundations or attached to land because it is now classified as REAL PROPERTY. I can not however, in CA, sell any mobile homes that fall under PERSONAL PROPERTY without a dealers or retailers license. 

My project is in AZ, which allows a person to sell 3 per year without any license. So, I can sell 3, my girlfriend can sell 3, my daughter can sell 3, etc. 

As for the notes, I still personally feel that DODD FRANK applies to mortgage notes, which a personal property note is not a mortgage. However, for purposes of discussion, if a mobile home is identified as a residence under DODD FRANK and the SAFE ACT, there is the 1 FREE PASS and 3 DEAL RULE that could apply, before having to use a licensed mortgage loan originator to create the note and pay for that service. 

Here is a great video on YouTube where an attorney explains DODD FRANK and the SAFE ACT in a way that's simple to understand. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBSdQRd_Pu8

If/When I get beyond the 1 Free Pass and 3 Deal Rule, then I'll use a licensed mortgage originator to create the note and negotiate the terms, which I have, and pay for that service. OR if my business grows to a point where it makes sense, I'll go get my NMLS mortgage license and create the notes myself. 

Post: California mobile home dealers license?

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

@Chad Lunsford I know this is an old post, but I've been MIA for a few years from BP and I'm interested in the MH asset class, so came across your post. 

I am a licensed Broker in CA and legally I can sell a manufactured home IF it's fixed to a foundation because it becomes REAL PROPERTY at that point. I CAN NOT legally sell a MH if it's in a park or not attached to real land. Thus I would need to get the MH dealers license or retailers license for CA. 

Some states don't have LIMITS on how many MHs you can sell in a 12 month period, but most do. 

CA apparently says you can't sell any (It's BS in my opinion) and as indicated in an earlier reply, I am not aware of anybody policing this activity, but being above board would be the right thing to do if this is a business you want to get into. Also, for those operating without a license (and that's the majority I'm sure), if it's every CRACKED DOWN, then the competition goes away for those who are licensed. 

Until the powers that be start policing this activity, there are more NOT LICENSED people doing Lonnie Deals in multiple states and it's been going on since the 70's. 

Post: California mobile home dealers license?

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

@Mike G. I've yet to have anybody within the mobile home spaces tell me directly or verify that the DODD FRANK rules apply to mobile homes because the "Lonnie Deals" are not MORTGAGE NOTES. Mobile Homes are personal property transactions and those putting together MH notes are NOT mortgage originators, as outlined and identified within DODD FRANK. 

I am a real estate Broker and don't deal with DODD FRANK daily like a lender might, but I personally think MH SHOULD NOT fall under the DF guidelines. 

If I'm wrong, then OH BOY are there a lot of investors out there in violation of this strategy of creating notes and I also guarantee most are not licensed either, so DOUBLE JEOPARDY!. 

But with all that said, I don't believe there is anybody really policing this activity and I also think predatory lending laws under DODD FRANK have bigger issues to deal with than the small MH deals going on. 

Just my opinion. 

Post: 10 Abandoned Mobile Home Units Inside An Arizona Park

Jeff PetschePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Yorba Linda, CA
  • Posts 154
  • Votes 114

@Alex G. through my research and conversations with those in the business, your reference to Anti-Predatory Lending: Title XIV of the Dodd Frank Act applies to MORTGAGE ORIGINATION an addresses Mortgage Originators (Definition of “Mortgage Originator”
The Mortgage Reform Act defines a “mortgage originator”
as “any person who, for direct or indirect compensation or gain, or in
the expectation of direct or indirect compensation or gain: (i) takes a
residential mortgage application; (ii) assists a consumer in obtaining
or applying to obtain a residential mortgage loan; or, (iii) offers or
negotiates terms of a residential mortgage loan.


Mobile homes are PERSONAL PROPERTY, not REAL PROPERTY, thus we do not create a mortgage note. This is a BILL OF SALE transaction and title is transferred like owning a car through DMV.

I do however stay within the USURY LAW of not charging MORE than 10% interest.

I've yet to hear from anybody in the mobile home space that references DODD FRANK because we are not dealing with REAL PROPERTY.