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All Forum Posts by: Josh Young

Josh Young has started 12 posts and replied 332 times.

Post: Newbie Investor Making a Change

Josh Young
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  • Rental Property Investor / REALTOR® / Property Manager
  • Gilbert, AZ
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Quote from @Juan Montes:
Quote from @Josh Young:
Quote from @Juan Montes:

Hey All, I’m an electrical engineer by training and have been working in the electrical utilities industry for 15 years.

I’m tired of working for someone else! I would like to be more financially independent. Just recently bought my first home and wanting to learn how to do house hacking. Hopefully I can expand to other properties. 

It’s awesome that there is this whole community here sharing information! 

Congrats on buying a home, that’s a big step in the right direction. I live in Gilbert and own a few homes that I rent out traditionally, but I have been looking into renting out a house by the room to increase cash flow, that is what you want to do is rent out your extra bedrooms. Get the house and yard nice and clean and neat and take a few really good photos, write up a nice detailed listing and post for rent online, I’ve been looking at https://www.roomies.com/. Look at what is listed in your area so you know how to price it, I think furnished bedroom might bring slightly more, but unfurnished bedroom would attract a longer term tenant so I’m going to go unfurnished bedroom when I do it.  The key is that this will help you save up to buy your next home, you will be able to buy a new primary residence in 12+ months, I don’t think you can use this room rental income to help you qualify, but when the time comes to buy another home, you will be able to put a traditional 12 month lease on the current home and use 75% of that rent as income to offset the mortgage to help you qualify for the next home though. Good luck!

Thanks Josh, really appreciate the suggestion and the link! So would I move out of the first house and into the second house? Would I apply for the mortgage on the second house as a primary residence? How much of a down payment would I need for the second house? Got an FHA loan on my first house and put down 3.5%. I heard for investment properties 20% down is needed. 

I was reading that it is best to put a rental property under its own LLC for asset protection. That way if someone sues you they can only get that one property at most. Do you do this?

Seems like things will get complicated fast by having multiple properties and multiple LLCs. But I guess that’s why you pay accounts and such to help keep all the books straight.
You will be able to by your next house as a primary residence using a conventional 5% down loan and yes you will move into it as a requirement of getting the primary residence financing, this is the lowest rates and lowest down payment. And yes buying investment properties is 20% down, sometimes 15% but that’s a higher rate and sometimes 25% or more, but you can get around this buying a new primary residence and moving into it and turning your current home into a rental, and the lender will let you use 75% of the rent that you will be collecting to help you qualify. You may want to refinance your current home into a conventional loan next year or the year after if you can decrease the rate and extend the loan back out to 30 years to lower the payment, it would be most beneficial if you did this before you moved out, so you get the best rate as it still being your primary residence.  FHA is good to get you into a home and the 3.5% down is a little better than 5% down for conventional, but if you qualify for a conventional loan the rates are usually better, also I don’t think you can have two FHA loans at once.

I don’t have any of my properties in LLC’s, this is a concern that I had to, but my CPA told me I don’t need an LLC until I have over $1M in equity, I have landlord insurance on my properties and require my tenants to have renters insurance. An LLC is a pass through entity so it’s tied directly to you anyway, and if you are negligent they will be able to get at all your assets in a lawsuit regardless of LLC or not, eventually you might set a Family Limited Partnership or Trust and that will own the LLC’s that own the properties (you will use a quitclaim deed to just move each property into an LLC later) and that is true asset protection, but that’s way down the road in millionaire land.

 
I saw your post about being afraid of mortgage debt as a barrier to entry. I had a similar fear and used to think the idea was to pay off your houses so they would cash flow better, but after reading a few books I learned the difference between bad debt and good debt and how to use it as leverage so you can use your house to borrow money to help you buy more houses, and collecting rent the whole time, so your tenants are actually paying the debt down, not you. If you haven’t read these book I highly recommend them: Rich Dad Poor Dad, The Millionaire Real Estate Investor, The Richest Man in Babylon, Cash Flow Quadrant, Loopholes of Real Estate.

Post: Sub-to offer seems too good to be true

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@Trevor Gunderson

You don't want to sell sub-to because the loan would still be in your name and on your credit report, so you could have a harder time qualifying with DTI on future purchases and if they ever miss a payment they could hurt your credit.

Post: Newbie Investor Making a Change

Josh Young
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  • Rental Property Investor / REALTOR® / Property Manager
  • Gilbert, AZ
  • Posts 340
  • Votes 383
Quote from @Juan Montes:

Hey All, I’m an electrical engineer by training and have been working in the electrical utilities industry for 15 years.

I’m tired of working for someone else! I would like to be more financially independent. Just recently bought my first home and wanting to learn how to do house hacking. Hopefully I can expand to other properties. 

It’s awesome that there is this whole community here sharing information! 

Congrats on buying a home, that’s a big step in the right direction. I live in Gilbert and own a few homes that I rent out traditionally, but I have been looking into renting out a house by the room to increase cash flow, that is what you want to do is rent out your extra bedrooms. Get the house and yard nice and clean and neat and take a few really good photos, write up a nice detailed listing and post for rent online, I’ve been looking at https://www.roomies.com/. Look at what is listed in your area so you know how to price it, I think furnished bedroom might bring slightly more, but unfurnished bedroom would attract a longer term tenant so I’m going to go unfurnished bedroom when I do it.  The key is that this will help you save up to buy your next home, you will be able to buy a new primary residence in 12+ months, I don’t think you can use this room rental income to help you qualify, but when the time comes to buy another home, you will be able to put a traditional 12 month lease on the current home and use 75% of that rent as income to offset the mortgage to help you qualify for the next home though. Good luck!

Post: MTR price negotiable ?

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Quote from @TaRa Mehta:

Hello all,

I've been approached by a housing company asking if I would be willing to rent out my place for 6 months. They have offered me a price for it - which allows a decent cash flow. I've never done this before, but I was wondering is this price negotiable ? Can I ask for a little more ? Has anyone attempted this ? 

Thanks in advance ! 

Everything in RE is negotiable. They just opened up the negotiations by offering you something different than you had listed. The question is, how confident are you that you could rent it for the full 6 months at a higher rate if you didn’t rent to them?

Post: 60 Day Early Termination Clause in a 12 month lease

Josh Young
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Quote from @Rachelle Bisaillon:

@Josh Young

Awesome! Thank you so much. Just so I am clear, this would mean the tenant needs to pay 2 months as an early termination fee and as well as pay the rent for the last two months? So essentially paying 4 months

Yes exactly, and if they use the clause correctly I will return their security deposit to them.  The question comes up so I like to have it clear and agreed to so there are no questions. 

Post: Buying grandparents home, how to finance

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Quote from @Zane Cress:

Starting the conversation about buying my grandparents home in the mountains. They own all their assets outright and will probably remain in the property for another year or two. My rental properties kick off enough cash to cover buying their place now while they still live in it and floating the extra cost for a few years. After they leave it will become a STR that will cash flow nicely and I can refinance it for a decent cashout.

Option 1 is get a conventional mortgage and charge them rent to cover the monthly cost however long they stay there. I can give them a higher purchase price if they will cover the monthly cost for the next few years. They get the tax free gain in the meantime to live off of. Getting a 7.5% rate with buying points at 80% LTV. Most likely they would sell to me at the 60% value mark so maybe the rate gets better.

Option 2 is do a seller finance option where we work out terms for a few years at a cheap monthly payment and do a balloon payment at the end when they are ready to move out. My question here is about the tax implications. If they seller finance for 3 or 4 years and then take a balloon payment does it still qualify for tax free primary residence status?

Option 3 I rent it from them for a couple years at a cheap monthly rate and then buy at a reduced price later on since a primary residence you only have to live in 2 of the last 5 years. 


Open to any other scenarios people may have here. Looking to give them money now and secure the asset without doing any wills that could be argued later on in court. 

Ask your CPA about option 2, that seems ideal, you lock up the property and take title, they collect interest instead of the bank, and you can refinance into conventional and pay them off in a couple years when they move out and hopefully rates are a little lower by then.  I’d structure the seller financing as no money down, interest only payments for 2 years while they live in the property with an option for a 3rd year.  The lease back will allow you to start depreciating the property on your taxes along with the interest only payments, so you will have a nice paper loss.

Post: Beginner Wanting to learn about Real Estate

Josh Young
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Quote from @Andrew Wilson:

Hi, I'm a high schooler, interested in the real estate market. I have been listening to the BiggerPockets podcast and reading through the forums. I have just a few questions. Is there a book or website for beginners interested in real estate? How do I best learn about the basics of real estate? What is the best way to start my portfolio? 

Education and action are the two most important things. Great job getting on this forum, but the truth is most everything you will learn will happen after you buy a property, this is when real world learning happens, but educating yourself now will help you to not make catastrophic mistakes. Here is my list:
podcasts: BP Real Estate, BP On The Market, The Money Guy Show
Books: Rich Dad Poor Dad, The Millionaire Real Estate Investor, The Richest Man In Babylon, Cashflow Quadrant, Loopholes of Real Estate

The biggest change that I had to make was my mindset around debt, these books helped.  Before I understood how it all worked I thought the idea was to pay off properties, so the Cashflow was bigger, and the debt got reduced, but I have learned the difference between bad debt and good debt and how to use it as leverage.

You should also go into your local bank or credit union and speak to a mortgage lender, tell them you are planning out how to buy a property and you would like to know what it takes to qualify for an owner occupied conventional loan on a single family home. Be honest with them and try to form a realistic plan, there are some relatively inexpensive properties near Bakersfield so you might be able to buy one in a couple of years if you can get consistent w-2 income and a good Debt to Income Ratio. You might realize you need to buy the property with a partner, maybe a friend who will live in it with you or maybe a parent. Buy a house with as many bedrooms as possible, so you can rent them out and learn to become a landlord, this is when the real learning will happen. Good luck on your journey, and don’t forget this one piece of advice that someone once gave me: Do your due diligence and if the numbers make sense, pull the trigger!



Post: beginner Cash flow strategies

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Quote from @Dustin Murphy:

I do love the idea of owning for a while and creating a trail of paid down rentals instead of selling outright, but the wild card is a wife and kids. School districts, physical moves, and spouse approval all have substantial weight in such a strategy. If I was single and flexible; I would be using a house hack or own and move/rent strategy for sure at least while building the business. However personally I don’t think that either of those scenarios are in the cards for me. More options for those single individuals or flexible families though!

Yes picking properties in a good area with good school districts that your wife will want to live in will help with appreciation, it also makes it easier to self manage if they are all in the same general area. Mine are all within 3 miles of each other in an area that I’m very confident in appreciation. The trick to getting your wife on board with moving every few years is making the house a little bigger and a little nicer each time. You could skip moving every time if you have hundreds of thousands of dollars for 20% down payments, but building the massive equity is the 1st step, once you have the hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity you can buy the cash flow, ideally you will get to over $1M in net worth so you can buy syndications.

Post: beginner Cash flow strategies

Josh Young
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Quote from @Dustin Murphy:

Hello all, very interested beginner here. I’ve started self educating on real estate investing with the goal to take action later this year or beginning of 2024. Specifically looking in the state of Wisconsin (Madison and/or Green Bay markets). However my questions apply to a more over arching strategy in addition to regional nuance. 

Q. If your ultimate goal in REI is a specific cash flow per month (example $5,000, $10,000, or $20,000), then what are your thoughts on ways to get there in the shortest amount of time if you were to reverse engineer the units/rentals needed to generate that cash flow per month? (example: should you strategize acquiring 50 single family rentals at cash flow of $200 vs multi family homes vs apartment complex etc, where you could theoretically jump right into multiples higher cash flow) Are there other factors besides the relationship to size/number of units, up front cost of acquisition, and cash flow that would be a necessary factor in acquisition of any of these solutions if they "theoretically" presented the shortest path to the desired amount of cash flow per month?

(Also understanding property management either self or outsourced would need to be accounted for in addition to many other expenses)

Lastly, is there a known “generally universal” pattern to the difficulty of acquisition of any of those types of investments vs the other (other than amount of money). Example, 50 unit apartment complex might be fastest solution, but in your area there are tons of legal road blocks or competition, so for “fill in the blank reason”, it would actually be quicker to acquire 50 individual rental homes despite the slower potential total cash flow acquisition.

Hopefully that all makes sense or at least paints a relatable picture as to insight I am hoping to gain that others may be curious about as well just starting out!

-Dustin 


Lots of good posts on here already, but here my strategy that I’ve really taken from David Greene and Brandon Turner on the podcast. Buy a Primary Residence every couple years, keep moving and turning them into rentals, these will not cashflow the best, but will create a lot of equity with appreciation, once this appreciation get big enough sell it and buy cash-flowing properties or syndications or both. 

Post: 60 Day Early Termination Clause in a 12 month lease

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I have an early termination clause in my leases and I have provided this lease to lenders when applying for conventional financing and none of them have ever had a problem with it.  Here is my actual clause from my leases: 

Early Termination Of Lease

The Tenant(s) may terminate this lease’s length by delivering to the Landlord a written sixty (60) day Notice To Vacate and an early termination fee of two (2) month’s rent (section 1). This notice and fee must be received by the Landlord at least sixty (60) days before Tenant(s) vacate and stop paying rent. Additionally, to initiate an Early Termination Of Lease all rents owed to the Landlord by the Tenant(s) must be paid in full and current.