Buying grandparents home, how to finance

Buying grandparents home, how to finance

Realtor · Athens, GA · Member since 2023 · 201 posts · 104 votes

Starting the conversation about buying my grandparents home in the mountains. They own all their assets outright and will probably remain in the property for another year or two. My rental properties kick off enough cash to cover buying their place now while they still live in it and floating the extra cost for a few years. After they leave it will become a STR that will cash flow nicely and I can refinance it for a decent cashout.

Option 1 is get a conventional mortgage and charge them rent to cover the monthly cost however long they stay there. I can give them a higher purchase price if they will cover the monthly cost for the next few years. They get the tax free gain in the meantime to live off of. Getting a 7.5% rate with buying points at 80% LTV. Most likely they would sell to me at the 60% value mark so maybe the rate gets better.

Option 2 is do a seller finance option where we work out terms for a few years at a cheap monthly payment and do a balloon payment at the end when they are ready to move out. My question here is about the tax implications. If they seller finance for 3 or 4 years and then take a balloon payment does it still qualify for tax free primary residence status?

Option 3 I rent it from them for a couple years at a cheap monthly rate and then buy at a reduced price later on since a primary residence you only have to live in 2 of the last 5 years. 


Open to any other scenarios people may have here. Looking to give them money now and secure the asset without doing any wills that could be argued later on in court. 

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Josh YoungPro Member
Rental Property Investor / REALTOR® / Property Manager · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2023 · 385 posts · 421 votes
3y
Quote from @Zane Cress:

Starting the conversation about buying my grandparents home in the mountains. They own all their assets outright and will probably remain in the property for another year or two. My rental properties kick off enough cash to cover buying their place now while they still live in it and floating the extra cost for a few years. After they leave it will become a STR that will cash flow nicely and I can refinance it for a decent cashout.

Option 1 is get a conventional mortgage and charge them rent to cover the monthly cost however long they stay there. I can give them a higher purchase price if they will cover the monthly cost for the next few years. They get the tax free gain in the meantime to live off of. Getting a 7.5% rate with buying points at 80% LTV. Most likely they would sell to me at the 60% value mark so maybe the rate gets better.

Option 2 is do a seller finance option where we work out terms for a few years at a cheap monthly payment and do a balloon payment at the end when they are ready to move out. My question here is about the tax implications. If they seller finance for 3 or 4 years and then take a balloon payment does it still qualify for tax free primary residence status?

Option 3 I rent it from them for a couple years at a cheap monthly rate and then buy at a reduced price later on since a primary residence you only have to live in 2 of the last 5 years. 


Open to any other scenarios people may have here. Looking to give them money now and secure the asset without doing any wills that could be argued later on in court. 

Ask your CPA about option 2, that seems ideal, you lock up the property and take title, they collect interest instead of the bank, and you can refinance into conventional and pay them off in a couple years when they move out and hopefully rates are a little lower by then.  I’d structure the seller financing as no money down, interest only payments for 2 years while they live in the property with an option for a 3rd year.  The lease back will allow you to start depreciating the property on your taxes along with the interest only payments, so you will have a nice paper loss.
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  • Alfath AhmedBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    I would go the conventional mortgage route. If you can then see if you can get an owner-occupant or vacation loan. 

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Zane Cress:

    Starting the conversation about buying my grandparents home in the mountains. They own all their assets outright and will probably remain in the property for another year or two. My rental properties kick off enough cash to cover buying their place now while they still live in it and floating the extra cost for a few years. After they leave it will become a STR that will cash flow nicely and I can refinance it for a decent cashout.

    Option 1 is get a conventional mortgage and charge them rent to cover the monthly cost however long they stay there. I can give them a higher purchase price if they will cover the monthly cost for the next few years. They get the tax free gain in the meantime to live off of. Getting a 7.5% rate with buying points at 80% LTV. Most likely they would sell to me at the 60% value mark so maybe the rate gets better.

    Option 2 is do a seller finance option where we work out terms for a few years at a cheap monthly payment and do a balloon payment at the end when they are ready to move out. My question here is about the tax implications. If they seller finance for 3 or 4 years and then take a balloon payment does it still qualify for tax free primary residence status?

    Option 3 I rent it from them for a couple years at a cheap monthly rate and then buy at a reduced price later on since a primary residence you only have to live in 2 of the last 5 years. 


    Open to any other scenarios people may have here. Looking to give them money now and secure the asset without doing any wills that could be argued later on in court. 


     Hey Zane

    Why not just ask them to add you to title or quit claim it to you.  If they don't need the money, it may be an easy way to take ownership.

    Stephanie

  • Real Estate Agent · Savannah, GA · Member since 2018 · 123 posts · 141 votes
    3y

    Seller financing all day, seller financing all night.

    Get the home in your name right now so that there are no complications in the future. These happen with very little warning. The seller lease back is super simple. Give them whatever they want as far as terms.

    Have the closing attorney write and file the lien and give them a loan amortization schedule and pay them each month on time. Show them how much interest you'll be paying each month and in total.

    I have always gotten 5% APR and am still getting this, since owner financing is typically through people who I have a relationship with. I like a 10/10/5. 10% down in cash, 10 year full amortization with a 5% APR. Older people don't like long term debt, but they are usually comfortable with 10 years.

    I know I could do a 30 year am with a 10 year balloon, but I like a 10/10/5. We all have our own ways of doing things, and this suits my comfort level with debt perfectly.

    Congrats on your purchase!

  • Josh YoungPro Member
    Rental Property Investor / REALTOR® / Property Manager · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2023 · 385 posts · 421 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Zane Cress:

    Starting the conversation about buying my grandparents home in the mountains. They own all their assets outright and will probably remain in the property for another year or two. My rental properties kick off enough cash to cover buying their place now while they still live in it and floating the extra cost for a few years. After they leave it will become a STR that will cash flow nicely and I can refinance it for a decent cashout.

    Option 1 is get a conventional mortgage and charge them rent to cover the monthly cost however long they stay there. I can give them a higher purchase price if they will cover the monthly cost for the next few years. They get the tax free gain in the meantime to live off of. Getting a 7.5% rate with buying points at 80% LTV. Most likely they would sell to me at the 60% value mark so maybe the rate gets better.

    Option 2 is do a seller finance option where we work out terms for a few years at a cheap monthly payment and do a balloon payment at the end when they are ready to move out. My question here is about the tax implications. If they seller finance for 3 or 4 years and then take a balloon payment does it still qualify for tax free primary residence status?

    Option 3 I rent it from them for a couple years at a cheap monthly rate and then buy at a reduced price later on since a primary residence you only have to live in 2 of the last 5 years. 


    Open to any other scenarios people may have here. Looking to give them money now and secure the asset without doing any wills that could be argued later on in court. 

    Ask your CPA about option 2, that seems ideal, you lock up the property and take title, they collect interest instead of the bank, and you can refinance into conventional and pay them off in a couple years when they move out and hopefully rates are a little lower by then.  I’d structure the seller financing as no money down, interest only payments for 2 years while they live in the property with an option for a 3rd year.  The lease back will allow you to start depreciating the property on your taxes along with the interest only payments, so you will have a nice paper loss.
  • Real Estate Agent · Boise, ID · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 888 votes
    3y

    @Zane Cress This sounds really good on paper, but could be a nightmare for family relations. I would just be on the up and up with the grandparents heirs and make sure everyone is on board or it will be a headache. 

    But at the end of the day you have to do what the sellers want. Do they want to sell to you or do they want to split it among the family and it be a vacation house for everyone when they die.

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