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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Thompson

Joshua Thompson has started 3 posts and replied 184 times.

Post: Rental Property losses carry over

Joshua Thompson
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  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
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Originally posted by @Daniel B.:

@Joshua Thompson Hi, yes, the phaseout begins at $100,000 as we experienced in 2017 (and thus have additional losses to carry forward).  I am self employed and don't have any W-2 income, although my wife does.

@Basit Siddiqi & @Daniel Dietz I am aware of the basics of passive losses can carry forward to cancel out passive income.  However, I don't have passive income in 2018, but $5,000 in losses from rental property after taking into account $30,000 in depreciation.  Can I carry forward previous years losses to increase the losses this year since I am allowed to take $25,000 in losses, but will only have roughly $5,000?  I have already filed a tax extension.

We deducted a lot more last year (traditional IRA's instead of Roth, I opened a SEP IRA I will max out my 25%, etc). Essentially we are on the verge of our AGI being in the low $60,000 range and hoping to get the savers tax credit, which would be $2,000, so aside from us saving the additional taxes by showing more losses from our rental properties, we have a tax credit in play... Thank you for your responses!

 The passive losses can be carried forward. If you have $5000 loss last year that you couldn't use and this year has $10000 in losses you can use, perfect case you would have a total of $15000 in passive losses to offset that W-2 income.

Post: Rental Property losses carry over

Joshua Thompson
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  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
  • Posts 189
  • Votes 114

@Daniel B. Hey man, not a CPA or EA but here are a few things I've picked up on and recommend you verifying with a CPA or EA.

The passive loss a rental produces each year can be used against your earned income (W-2 wages) if you earn below $150k married. There is a phase-out area your CPA/EA can speak more about if it applies to you. However, only up to $25k in passive losses can be used to offset earned income in one tax year.

Example: You earn a $75k W-2 income and have a $26k passive loss from a rental. You can use $25k of the $26k to offset your W-2 wage.

Taxes usually aren't cut and dry like that so you must realize there are other factors that can affect this and I'm really just scratching the surface.

However, I am not sure if you are able to carry forward ALLOWABLE passive losses. You can for sure carry forward passive losses that you were unable to use in previous years.

Post: How many exemptions should I put with paycheck?

Joshua Thompson
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  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
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The number you put in for your allowances on a W-4 is what I believe you're talking about. What number to put there all depends on your senerio, for example how much you make, how many dependents, are you married ect. With this information your CPA/EA should be able to give you the number you're looking for. If you earn a lot on your W-2 job you may want to claim 0 but it all depends on your situation and numbers.

Post: California LLC Fee when selling a property.

Joshua Thompson
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  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
  • Posts 189
  • Votes 114
Originally posted by @Matt Ward:
Originally posted by @Joshua Thompson:
Originally posted by @Matt Ward:
Originally posted by @Joshua Thompson:

@Kaveh E.

Not a tax professional, but what you may be able to do to is form an LLC but elect to be taxed as an S corp. This should get rid of the California gross receipt tax that I believe you are referring to.

As far as the $500k ($250k if single) exclusion, if the property is your primary residence and you meet the requirement (a big one being have lived there for 2 of past 5 years) you can exclude up to $500k of the gain. However, once you start getting into the whole short term rental of the property I would recommend finding a good CPA/EA that specializes in real estate.

Also if the property is your primary residence and you aren't renting it at the moment I don't see a need to put it inside of an LLC. Honestly, it may be more of a headache then its worth.

Don't stop here, find a good professional there are plenty on BP. Good luck

 You definitely DO NOT want to have rentals in an S Corp.  That's #1.  

#2 is that as soon as you turn your primary residence into something else, like a rental, you are now entering the territories of losing your $500k Sec. 121 exclusion (MFJ).... of which there are variations based on timing and circumstances.

#3 is, if it's just for liability protection, why not get an umbrella policy? Same effect and it would be cheaper than the annual LLC tax ($800)

You're right on the not putting the property in an S-Corp. However, when you are an LLC and elect to be taxed like an S-Corp in CA to get around the gross receipt tax, that's different than having the properties in an S-Corp isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong

The primary reason to not put rentals in S Corps is because if you ever need to move the property out of the S Corp and into your personal name, S Corp tax law treats that as a sale and you would be subject to the tax on the gain even though you are effectively just moving it from yourself (S Corp) to yourself (personal). LLC taxed as S Corp does not change this treatment.... I believe.

 Sweet! Thanks for the correction. I'll read up on it more.

Post: California LLC Fee when selling a property.

Joshua Thompson
Posted
  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
  • Posts 189
  • Votes 114
Originally posted by @Matt Ward:
Originally posted by @Joshua Thompson:

@Kaveh E.

Not a tax professional, but what you may be able to do to is form an LLC but elect to be taxed as an S corp. This should get rid of the California gross receipt tax that I believe you are referring to.

As far as the $500k ($250k if single) exclusion, if the property is your primary residence and you meet the requirement (a big one being have lived there for 2 of past 5 years) you can exclude up to $500k of the gain. However, once you start getting into the whole short term rental of the property I would recommend finding a good CPA/EA that specializes in real estate.

Also if the property is your primary residence and you aren't renting it at the moment I don't see a need to put it inside of an LLC. Honestly, it may be more of a headache then its worth.

Don't stop here, find a good professional there are plenty on BP. Good luck

 You definitely DO NOT want to have rentals in an S Corp.  That's #1.  

#2 is that as soon as you turn your primary residence into something else, like a rental, you are now entering the territories of losing your $500k Sec. 121 exclusion (MFJ).... of which there are variations based on timing and circumstances.

#3 is, if it's just for liability protection, why not get an umbrella policy? Same effect and it would be cheaper than the annual LLC tax ($800)

You're right on the not putting the property in an S-Corp. However, when you are an LLC and elect to be taxed like an S-Corp in CA to get around the gross receipt tax, that's different than having the properties in an S-Corp isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong

Post: California LLC Fee when selling a property.

Joshua Thompson
Posted
  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
  • Posts 189
  • Votes 114

@Kaveh E.

Not a tax professional, but what you may be able to do to is form an LLC but elect to be taxed as an S corp. This should get rid of the California gross receipt tax that I believe you are referring to.

As far as the $500k ($250k if single) exclusion, if the property is your primary residence and you meet the requirement (a big one being have lived there for 2 of past 5 years) you can exclude up to $500k of the gain. However, once you start getting into the whole short term rental of the property I would recommend finding a good CPA/EA that specializes in real estate.

Also if the property is your primary residence and you aren't renting it at the moment I don't see a need to put it inside of an LLC. Honestly, it may be more of a headache then its worth.

Don't stop here, find a good professional there are plenty on BP. Good luck

Post: Best Questions When Vetting a CPA

Joshua Thompson
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  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
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Well first I would make sure they work with other clients in your industry and possiibly specialize in the industry. A CPA/EA that specialize in your industry COULD be worth the extra dollars instead of using a general CPA/EA. Good first place to start.

Post: Would a Real Estate Professional pay SE income tax within an LLC

Joshua Thompson
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  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
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Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:

Your guess is unfortunately wrong. 

LLC does not change anything tax-wise. Rental properties have no SE tax, with or without LLCs. Flip properties do have SE tax, with or without LLCs.

SE tax for flips can often be partially alleviated using LLCs with different tax classifications: partnerships and S-corporations. This requires advanced planning and proper setup.

 Got it. Thank you for the response!

Post: Advice! Sell or rent? Tax burden?

Joshua Thompson
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  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
  • Posts 189
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How much you'll pay in taxes would be hard to calculate with the information given. I'm sure one of the tax pros here can give you the max % and you can use that to be safe. As far as I know, because it's a flip I'm pretty sure you'll need to pay SE taxes (15.3%) and ordinary income tax (whatever your tax bracket may be) as well as any depreciation recapture you took in 2018 (this year tax return) which I would assume none because you were probably still in the process of renovating. 

You also have to look at what you hope to achieve from investing in real estate. Do you want to make the flip money or build a portfolio with passive income?

Regarding your waiting one year, I believe (and anyone correct me if I'm wrong) if your intent is to flip the property you're still going to need to pay the SE tax. I'm pretty sure no matter what your flip will not be taxed at the capital gains rate but at the ordinary income rate. Not too sure on this one though.

You would also have to look at 5% of the sale price will go to the agent (unless you negotiate it out). However, no matter when you sell it a percentage will be going to the agent.

*Not a CPA, EA or tax professional. Maybe a few more years till then*

Post: Would a Real Estate Professional pay SE income tax within an LLC

Joshua Thompson
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  • Accountant
  • Princeton, TX
  • Posts 189
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Originally posted by @Ashish Acharya:
Originally posted by @David Gradman:

Question for the CPA's and Tax Lawyer's out there.

If I own a rental property within an LLC and I (or my spouse) meet the criteria for tax purposes of being a "Real Estate Professional" would Self-Employment (SE) taxes ever be an issue?

I don't think it would because the IRC code IRC Section 1402(a)(1) states rental income is free of self-employment tax.  The only reason I am doubting this though is that the reason rental income is exempt is because it is considered passive income but by designating as a "real estate professional" it is turning my rental activities into a non-passive activity (allowing my real estate losses to offset against ordinary income).

Let me know your thoughts or if anyone has any experience with tax reporting for "Real Estate Professionals" within an LLC. Thanks!

Dave

 No, rental Activity would not be subject to SE tax even with your pro status. 

If the situation was different and David was flipping properties inside an LLC would he still be safe from SE tax?

My guess would be yes he would still be safe but if it was a sole prop then he would be subject to SE tax.