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All Forum Posts by: Joshuam R.

Joshuam R. has started 40 posts and replied 252 times.

Post: Investors in High Crime Distressed Areas - Class D

Joshuam R.Posted
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Please if you like to share, pretty please with a cherry on the top, do so only if you personally or your operations reflect this question, thank you:

"I know we all here share plenty of advice to stay away from certain products or risks and projecting your personal reasons of why you don't want to invest in this, in that, etc.

I know all investments are hard work and dealing with people and responsibilities are hard work, but I want to know who actually is pursuing such properties in such neighborhoods with open arms and actually enjoy it and love the results in such D class and enjoy managing them."

Getting pretty sick and tired and annoyed with the top contributors in forums just posting random little answers has nothing to do with answering the posted question or helpful. They do it just to get more activity points or share how more amazing or greater they are than your posted question. Ridiculous, I am starting to call them out every chance I run into them.

But boy oh boy a nice magenta color dislike button would be fun!

Hook it up BP

Post: Investors in High Crime Distressed Areas - Class D

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Quote from @Charles Carillo:

@Joshuam R.

I have previously owned/managed D/C- rental properties for many years, and they are challenging to manage. The properties require daily attention, there are always issues, and rent is never paid on time or in full. You cannot really find 3rd party property managers for these properties as well, since most will not do it. 

If you really want to purchase D-class properties, I would make sure you are able to manage it yourself (or you have a team), you have deep reserves for non-paying tenants and repairs. Maybe see if there are any local government programs available to landlords who purchase/renovate in the areas you are interested in.


Thank you for the input. Good read. Yes, I agree that personally managing it with your own means/method and processes is best. It is also personally for us managing our own SFH. Filtering out the right candidate that fits the script for the intended property. I can see that one at a time model working for any class type, I also do understand it will be more difficult if needing to fill multiple units at once. Good to keep in mind your insights. Thanks. Best wishes.

Post: Investors in High Crime Distressed Areas - Class D

Joshuam R.Posted
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Joshuam R.:

I was born in low income due to that lived in the hood, bad ones as a kid (Camden, NJ | Projects in PR) also first few years as a married couple (Texas Ave, Americana Blvd, O.B.T.) "Started from the bottom now we here" level now.

I know we all here share plenty of advice to stay away from certain products or risks and projecting your personal reasons of why you don't want to invest in this, in that, etc.

I know all investments are hard work and dealing with people and responsibilities are hard work, but I want to know who actually is pursuing such properties in such neighborhoods with open arms and actually enjoy it and love the results in such D class and enjoy managing them.


 tried it once and never do it again

By posting detailed question in Bold and Underline I sure thought it was helpful and clear to our members reading my post I was hoping I did not have to bring out my violin. Guess I failed.

I already know the ones that do not like such product or experience and do not enjoy it.

Again, looking for the real ones with helpful feedback and persistent experience that enjoy the Class D challenges. The ones that are Proud to do it and risk it.

Post: Investors in High Crime Distressed Areas - Class D

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Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Joshuam R.:

I was born in low income due to that lived in the hood, bad ones as a kid (Camden, NJ | Projects in PR) also first few years as a married couple (Texas Ave, Americana Blvd, O.B.T.) "Started from the bottom now we here" level now.

I know we all here share plenty of advice to stay away from certain products or risks and projecting your personal reasons of why you don't want to invest in this, in that, etc.

I know all investments are hard work and dealing with people and responsibilities are hard work, but I want to know who actually is pursuing such properties in such neighborhoods with open arms and actually enjoy it and love the results in such D class and enjoy managing them.


 Buying as many as we can in certain neighborhoods of C and D areas. Heck we bought all in for 25k, with rents of about 23k NET per year, do the math. Now those same properties are selling for 100k, and IMO will triple over the next 5 - 8 years. Its ALL about knowledge and your team. I just picked up a 7 unit two weeks ago all in 200k net rent about 39k, IMO it will double in value as we see/ know whats coming. I can provide many many examples of properties in the C- D areas that have doubled tripled or more.  again its ALL about knowledge and your network. I love it when people tell us we are crazy. 

All the best 


 See that's the energy I know is out there and possible, also from good fair/firm landlords. Congrats, thanks for sharing.

Post: Investors in High Crime Distressed Areas - Class D

Joshuam R.Posted
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I was born in low income due to that lived in the hood, bad ones as a kid (Camden, NJ | Projects in PR) also first few years as a married couple (Texas Ave, Americana Blvd, O.B.T.) "Started from the bottom now we here" level now.

I know we all here share plenty of advice to stay away from certain products or risks and projecting your personal reasons of why you don't want to invest in this, in that, etc.

I know all investments are hard work and dealing with people and responsibilities are hard work, but I want to know who actually is pursuing such properties in such neighborhoods with open arms and actually enjoy it and love the results in such D class and enjoy managing them.

Post: Investors in High Crime Distressed Areas - Class D

Joshuam R.Posted
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  • Votes 91

I was born in low income due to that lived in the hood, bad ones as a kid (Camden, NJ | Projects in PR) also first few years as a married couple (Texas Ave, Americana Blvd, O.B.T.) "Started from the bottom now we here" level now.

I know we all here share plenty of advice to stay away from certain products or risks and projecting your personal reasons of why you don't want to invest in this, in that, etc.

I know all investments are hard work and dealing with people and responsibilities are hard work, but I want to know who actually is pursuing such properties in such neighborhoods with open arms and actually enjoy it and love the results in such D class and enjoy managing them.

Post: The so-called "STR loophole" - hype or real?

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Quote from @Michael Plaks:

Buckle up. This is a long post addressing many myths around the current obsession with the "STR loophole." And the first of such myths is that it is a loophole. No, it is not. Loopholes are something UNintended. In contrast, STRs work this way intentionally, by design.

STR means short-term rentals, by the way. Not something sexually transmitted.

Disclaimer: I can only skim the surface of various highly complex rules I mention below. You can't draw conclusions about your own situation from this general overview. Your mileage will vary. Always consult your own tax professional.

Starting concept: net income

Business are taxed on net income, not gross income. Gross income is what you collect from customers. If you're a realtor, your gross income is your total commissions. If you operate an STR, gross income is your total rent paid by your guests, before any subtractions.

To figure out your taxes, you take this gross income and subtract from it all allowable business expenses: marketing, education, technology, licenses and fees (including Airbnb and credit card fees), office expenses, business driving and so on. The result is called net income. 

Example: your business collected $50k in gross income but had $30k worth of deductible expenses. The result is a $20k net income. You will be paying taxes on $20k, not on $50k.

In short, net income is your income after deductible expenses. If your expenses are greater than your income - you have a net loss. And you're probably broke. Or would have been if you were single.

Depreciation

Real estate investors get to subtract an additional deduction: depreciation of their properties. Unlike all other deductions, you don't directly make a payment for depreciation, so it appears to be some freebie paper deduction. It's neither freebie nor some imaginary expense. If you're not familiar with depreciation, read this detailed explanation: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Depreciation will lower your net income and, accordingly, lower your taxes. Depending on your numbers, depreciation can erase your net income down to zero or below zero, turning it into a net loss. If you already have a net loss without depreciation, depreciation makes it a bigger loss.

Cost segregation

In short, cost segregation is real estate depreciation on steroids. If your regular depreciation is not enough to erase all of your net income, cost segregation can do the trick. If you already have a loss, cost segregation can make it a much bigger loss. 

Like everything else that has potential benefits, it is badly overhyped and misunderstood. Read this other long post of mine, specifically about cost segregation myths: https://www.biggerpockets.com/... 

Applying business losses against other income

OK, you crunched your numbers, including depreciation, and your business has a $10k net loss. Suppose you still have a job and have not been fired for running your business while on the clock, and you're being paid a W2 salary - let's say $100k per year. Without your business, you would have paid IRS taxes on your $100k salary. 

Considering your business loss, you subtract this $10k loss from your $100k salary, and now you pay IRS taxes on a smaller amount, $90k. A little better, agree? The term we often use for this is "offset": you offset your W2 income with your business loss.

Are there any restrictions on such offsets?

You bet. In fact, there're several "layers" of restrictions, including "at-risk" rules, basis rules for pass-through entities, hobby rules, new (as of 2021) "excess business loss" rules, special rules for Section 179 and business interest, self-rental rules, vacation homes rules, and more. 

Basically, Congress does not want you to offset your W2 income (actually, any type of taxable income), for obvious reasons. Hence all of these very confusing rules. I am not going into this jungle now. I only mention it to warn you that there're MORE restrictions than just the "passive activity loss" rules that you must have heard of.

One very important concept to remember, and a beneficial one, for a change: restricted (the IRS calls them "disallowed" or "suspended") losses are NOT WASTED. They are pushed into future years or, in IRS jargon, carried forward. They are still yours. Eventually, you will be able to use them. Of course, there're exceptions to that, too. Shocking, right?

PAL - passive activity losses limitations

Here's the compromise our tax system created. If your losses come from passive investments (previously known as tax shelters) - they are restricted by PAL rules. If your losses come from something you "work" in, like your own construction business, they are nonpassive and exempt from PAL rules (although may still be limited by one of the other set of rules).

Knowing how we love to call anything we do "business", the IRS clarifies what is considered passive and therefore restricted by PAL rules:

1. All activities where you do NOT "materially participate" (which is also defined and will be discussed in a few minutes)

2. Renting of real estate properties

If this is what you do, then sorry, you cannot offset your W2 income with your losses.

Syndication K1s are normally in the first group. Rentals are normally in the second group. So, when syndicators and gurus promise you huge tax savings from their promoted investments - make sure you understand how PAL rules apply to you.

Exceptions to PAL restrictions

1. Limited losses allowed for landlords with modest incomes. If your total income (combined for spouses) is under $100k, you can offset up to $25k of it. If your income is over $150k, you can offset nothing. Between $100k and $150k, the $25k ceiling is phased out in a straight line.

2. Unlimited losses allowed for landlords who qualify for REPS - Real Estate Professional status. REPS is outside of the scope of this post. I will only mention two critical points:
- People with regular full-time W2 jobs cannot qualify for REPS (unless their no-W2 spouses can qualify)
- REPS has nothing to do with STRs, and vice versa

3. The infamous "STR loophole": Unlimited losses allowed for STRs, as long as you "materially participate"

"STRs loophole" - what is it?

The magic of STRs is that any amount of tax losses generated by STRs, including of course losses from depreciation and cost segregation, can offset your other income, and you don't need to qualify for REPS. Fantastic news for high-income earners...

...if not for strings attached. Here're the three most important gotchas:
          1. You need to actually have tax losses
          2. It needs to be an STR, which is defined as "average stay of 7 days or less"
          3. You need to pass the IRS "material participation" test

and this finally brings as to the myths. Ready?


Myth 1: STRs create huge tax losses

Actually, healthy STRs are supposed to be cash cows. Their cash flow should be high enough where even after depreciation you have some net income, i.e. a positive number, with a plus sign in front. It means that your taxes are going... UP! Yes, up, not down. If your STR has a killer cash flow - great, this is how it's meant to be! But your taxes are going somewhat up with it.

When you normally do have a significant net loss is in the 1st year, the year you place your STR in service. Why? Partially because you did not rent it for an entire year but mostly because of upfront expenses: getting it ready for rent, buying furniture, electronics, and other furnishings, stocking up on initial supplies, and so on. You deduct all of this in the first year, and you have a big tax loss (and an actual economic loss). After that, the tide usually reverses.

STRs typically have large tax losses in the initial year of operation - but only in their initial year!

But wait - cost segregation! Yes, cost segregation amplifies your loss greatly. But - again! - it is the first year loss! You cannot repeat the magic of cost segregation in later years. It is done once, and the game is over.

Myth 2: My STR can sometimes be enjoyed by my family and friends

Of course, you're entitled to use your own property any way you want. The property is yours. But its tax benefits may no longer be yours if you are not careful. Just be aware that it can kill the tax benefits of your STR.

To keep your ability to deduct STR losses, you cannot use the property for "personal purposes" for more than 14 days a year. Or, if it's more than 14 days, it cannot be more than 10% of the days it was rented to guests. So, if you had guests 200 days of the year, you get 20 personal use days. Break this rule - and your STR losses are no longer deductible.

It gets worse. Anytime your STR is used by family or friends below market rate - it is considered "personal use." Yes, even if they pay you. They must pay the market rate, the same rate you officially list for the property.

The good news is that you staying in your STR for the purpose of making repairs is not personal use. But bringing your toddlers along may contradict your "8 hours of working on the property" story.

Like pretty much all tax rules, this one has buts and ifs. Don't ask Google or ChatGPT. Ask your tax accountant.

Myth 3: It can be an STR for part of the year

It cannot. The 7-day rule refers to an average stay across the entire year. Add up all days the property was occupied during the year and divide it by the number of reservations - and this is your average. 

You cannot make your student housing an STR for the summer season only. I mean - you can, but you will still have to include the semester-long rentals when calculating your average annual stay, and it will break the 7-day rule. Also, don't try to get funny and split a month-long stay into four back-to-back weekly stays. Nice try though.

Myth 4: I'm hands-on, so I materially participate

"Material participation" is defined by the IRS, not by your Facebook friends and not by YouTube gurus. Although there are technically 7 ways to pass this test, usually only two of them are useful in the STR context:

A. You spend 500 hands-on hours in your STR business OR
B. You spend 100 hours, and nobody else (contractors, cleaners, property managers) spend more hours than you do

The hours have to be documented, and they have to be actual work specific to STRs. Dealing with your guests and contractors counts. Watching podcasts and going to meetups does not. Don't take this material participation requirement casually. It matters.

Myth 5: I qualify for Real Estate Professional, so I get to deduct all STR losses, too

REPS is a completely separate game. It is applicable to LTRs and passive investments. You don't need to qualify for REPS to use the STR loophole. More importantly, even if you do have passive investments and do qualify for REPS, it does NOT open the door to deducting your STR losses. STRs cannot be thrown into the same aggregation election that you use when qualifying for REPS.

The only way to unlock STR losses is to pass material participation, and pass it specifically for STRs.

Myth 6: STRs are reported on Schedule C instead of Schedule E

This myth comes from misunderstanding the IRS instructions that were specifically written to be confusing. For most STRs, it is Schedule E. The trick is to tell your tax software to treat losses on your STR as nonpassive. Otherwise, your tax software may restrict them by PAL rules.

There is a rare situation when you need to use Schedule C for your STRs. It is when you provide hotel-like services to your guests, such as daily maid service, meals or entertainment. As always, the rules are more complicated than I can explain in one paragraph, so check with your tax accountant.

Myth 7: I can write off my STR's initial rehab

STRs or LTRs - the rules are the same. Initial rehab of your property is not "repairs", it is "capital improvements." You basically add it to the cost of buying your property and then slowly depreciate.

Some parts of your rehab, such as appliances, carpets or driveway/parking can be written off immediately instead of being slowly depreciated. It involves using Section 179 or bonus depreciation, and I would not DIY this project, as distinction between repairs and capital improvements is one of the most confusing areas of the tax law.

And no, you do not need a cost segregation study to deduct these components of your rehab - if you have itemized invoices and receipts.

Myth 8: for a valid 1031 exchange, I must exchange STR for another STR

No, you don't. Any investment real estate will work as a potential 1031 exchange target, including LTRs, apartment complexes, commercial properties, undeveloped land, DSTs and so on. 

Remember that all depreciation has to be recaptured at sale. (If you don't - read my depreciation post: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...) Given that STR owners often use cost segregation and other aggressive depreciation strategies, a 1031 exchange should certainly be considered when it's time to sell your STR. And there're other potential capital gain tax deferral strategies to ask your accountant about.

Myth 9: this post will never end

Fine, I'll stop.

But here is the closing thought. Taxes are awfully complicated. STR taxes are no exception. You can have tax strategies working for you - or against you. As I warned in the beginning:

Take-home 1: I only scratched the surface. I could write a whole book about STRs, and it still will not cover everything, because...

Take-home 2: tax strategies are always case-by-case, there's no universal recipe, which is why...

Take-home 3: use a good tax professional, such as those listed here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...


 Uffff! Truly felt your profile pic came to life and got hit with few hooks and final uppercut. Thank you for your post.

Post: STR Arbitrage Information?

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Quote from @Eric Chiang:

@Kendall Kelly if you listen to podcasts, the BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast Episode 520 discusses STR Arbitrage. May have some helpful information for you.

Happy investing! 

 Finally, a good answer to her specific question, vs scaring her away like the other comments. Thanks Eric!  Good luck @Kendall Kelly we are also going to pursue doing arbitrage the transparent way, no lies to landlords and doing our homework on the zone property is in and part 2 what HOA laws if any might hinder the targeted property even before we reach out to landlord with negotiations. Doing this STR arbitrage as a tool is a win, all tools have pro and cons. Arbitrage can lead you to then purchasing your own properties, and so on. Be careful with the "mentors" offering coaching. I say always get into action by studying these forums and networking locally. Best wishes!

Post: Que pasa! MFH Developments

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100% involved in the A.E.C. industry. Through my W2 environment we service our clients with BIM VDC engineering services for Construction Permitting documents. While on the field construction activity will still be visible for many people for ongoing current projects and even few months down the line, on the other hand for new future possible projects a few weeks later after we received word that geotechnical proposals requests are down/low for future MFH developments, etc. On our own court we are already feeling the effects of this "temporary" downturn. Big projects from multiple big players are on hold now back-to-back instantly in the month of May/June. Only a handful of new projects are in and is typically from General Contractors that are doing their very first MFH development.

In summary I see big players pumping the brakes hard, and new players starting to drive.

For the big MFH investors / master builders, in your game of chess and your current strategy for your organization what are the factors of currently doing this at this moment.

Is this current strategy due to the new 40yr loan products that may be affecting, waiting to see the unknown unfold in the market?

I know the small players are reaching for the new opportunities, but the big players holding is for what?