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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Mumford

Joshua Mumford has started 1 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: Unpacking the Rent Crisis: It's Not Just Greedy Landlords..

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Joshua Mumford:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Joshua Mumford:
Quote from @James Hamling:

 ....lawn care, pest control, Surevestor, .... air filters, and that's the.... fee an owner ....pays. 

....to secure a premium rent 

....the renter knows the number up front and they're not getting back doored with....mandatory "benefits"

You literally detail doing exactly what your, in same breath, criticizing others for..... 
Or are you saying your better because your not billing tenants for it, no your billing landlords for it....    Because if that's your stance, your in the wrong line of work my friend, your a politician, because that's the only place that math makes sense, politics....

What I "literally" said was that, in my opinion, it's only a problem when the value exchange is in one direction

Post: Unpacking the Rent Crisis: It's Not Just Greedy Landlords..

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Joshua Mumford:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Joshua Mumford:
Quote from @James Hamling:

And yes, if I could, I'd add a fee's list a mile long, if I could get it, damn right. 

To me the issue isn't charging fees and making profit as much as it is doing so without providing tangible value in return

A business exchange should result in value added not extracted—charging a 50% leasing fee to then only do remote showings, charging a $25/mo smart-home fee because of an added a $50 wifi-enabled thermostat 

My clients pay management fees as high as 20%, none lower than 13%, and in return they receive comprehensive property management

My residents pay nothing other than rent, because they're not clients

I can't complain though, because if it weren't for the industry's standard practices becoming this way, I wouldn't have my niche


 >My clients pay management fees as high as 20%, none lower than 13%, and in return they receive comprehensive property management

Is this for LTR property management?   It is the highest I have ever seen if this is for LTR.  I think you should charge what you can get.  Maybe this is d class area where collecting rent has challenges, inspection should be done often, lots of tenant conflict, etc.  

Again I am definitely you should not charge what you can get, but I am trying to understand how you can charge 13% to 20%. Maybe it is STR management which would be on the lower price of STR PMs.

Best wishes


But Dan, don't you see how "better" he is, he doesn't charge anything to the tenant...... No, he just nails the landlords with the inflated bill and we all know if landlord is paying it's "FREE" for tenant.....     Not like, IDK, landlord will pass that expense through to tenant via price...... 

Crayola economic's at it's best.... 

 I pay for the lawn care, pest control, Surevestor, actually replace the air filters, and that's the only fee an owner ever pays. 

The goal is to secure a premium rent by providing a premium experience, but the renter knows the number up front and they're not getting back doored with move-in and admin fees and mandatory "benefits"

If anything that approach is better for the LL because we're sharing in the increased rent potential instead of just hogging all of the fees from marked-up ancillary services


Yeah i get it, your fart's smell like roses, the rest of us PMc's just poo, got-it. 


Did you miss the part where I said the only issue in my opinion is when the fees don't have a proportionate value to the residents?

Post: Unpacking the Rent Crisis: It's Not Just Greedy Landlords..

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Joshua Mumford:
Quote from @James Hamling:

And yes, if I could, I'd add a fee's list a mile long, if I could get it, damn right. 

To me the issue isn't charging fees and making profit as much as it is doing so without providing tangible value in return

A business exchange should result in value added not extracted—charging a 50% leasing fee to then only do remote showings, charging a $25/mo smart-home fee because of an added a $50 wifi-enabled thermostat 

My clients pay management fees as high as 20%, none lower than 13%, and in return they receive comprehensive property management

My residents pay nothing other than rent, because they're not clients

I can't complain though, because if it weren't for the industry's standard practices becoming this way, I wouldn't have my niche


 >My clients pay management fees as high as 20%, none lower than 13%, and in return they receive comprehensive property management

Is this for LTR property management?   It is the highest I have ever seen if this is for LTR.  I think you should charge what you can get.  Maybe this is d class area where collecting rent has challenges, inspection should be done often, lots of tenant conflict, etc.  

Again I am definitely you should not charge what you can get, but I am trying to understand how you can charge 13% to 20%. Maybe it is STR management which would be on the lower price of STR PMs.

Best wishes


But Dan, don't you see how "better" he is, he doesn't charge anything to the tenant...... No, he just nails the landlords with the inflated bill and we all know if landlord is paying it's "FREE" for tenant.....     Not like, IDK, landlord will pass that expense through to tenant via price...... 

Crayola economic's at it's best.... 

 I pay for the lawn care, pest control, Surevestor, actually replace the air filters, and that's the only fee an owner ever pays. 

The goal is to secure a premium rent by providing a premium experience, but the renter knows the number up front and they're not getting back doored with move-in and admin fees and mandatory "benefits"

If anything that approach is better for the LL because we're sharing in the increased rent potential instead of just hogging all of the fees from marked-up ancillary services

Post: Unpacking the Rent Crisis: It's Not Just Greedy Landlords..

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8
Quote from @James Hamling:

And yes, if I could, I'd add a fee's list a mile long, if I could get it, damn right. 

To me the issue isn't charging fees and making profit as much as it is doing so without providing tangible value in return

A business exchange should result in value added not extracted—charging a 50% leasing fee to then only do remote showings, charging a $25/mo smart-home fee because of an added a $50 wifi-enabled thermostat 

My clients pay management fees as high as 20%, none lower than 13%, and in return they receive comprehensive property management

My residents pay nothing other than rent, because they're not clients

I can't complain though, because if it weren't for the industry's standard practices becoming this way, I wouldn't have my niche

Post: Unpacking the Rent Crisis: It's Not Just Greedy Landlords..

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8

Have you looked at Steadily?

Post: Unpacking the Rent Crisis: It's Not Just Greedy Landlords..

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Michael Calvey:

@Joshua Mumford Wow. This is frustrating. "Tricon Residential, iincreased its fee revenue by 42% since the pandemic." Its a bit predatory to me. 

I had a friend rent from Darwin Homes, they were getting charged a smart-home fee of ~$25/month. The only "smart" thing in the house was a thermostat.

So many of these ancillary revenue streams provide no actual value to residents, and are actively robbing them of $50+/month just to get a $5 air-filter delivered.

Post: Unpacking the Rent Crisis: It's Not Just Greedy Landlords..

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Michael Calvey:

TL;DR: Recent article suggests rent hikes aren't just about landlord greed - rising costs across the board are a major factor.

Just read an eye-opening article about the recent rent crisis.

It challenged my assumptions, so I thought I'd share the key points:

- Rents up 25% since 2020, but wages only 22% - ouch.
- 50% of renters now "rent-burdened" (>30% income on rent).
- Landlord costs skyrocketing: 
     - Insurance: +30% (thanks, climate change)
     - Utilities: +30%
     - Property taxes, materials, maintenance all up
     - Even lawn care and cleaning services cost more

The article argues these costs are being passed to tenants, not just padding profits. Interestingly, it cites data from Baselane, banking built for Landlords, showing a 30% increase in landlords' monthly expenses from 2022 to 2024. This kind of data gives us a more concrete picture of the situation.

Questions for discussion:
Renters: Has your landlord mentioned any of these factors when raising rent?
Landlords: Are these costs hitting you as hard as the article suggests?
Everyone: What solutions do you see to make housing more affordable?

This is a big part of the problem 

"AMH, formerly American Homes 4 Rent, grew its portfolio of single-family homes by 8.5% between 2019 and 2021, but its fee revenue grew by two-thirds during this time period, according to the group's securities filings. Speaking to investors last spring, AMH executive Bryan Smith touted a recently implemented "pet program" and said, "we're very excited about the opportunities we're going to have for ancillary revenue," referring to fees. (AMH did not respond to a request for comment from CBS News on its fee strategy.)

Tricon Residential, which owns 36,000 single-family home rentals, increased its fee revenue by 42% since the pandemic (when many late fees were banned). Last year, COO Kevin Baldridge told investors the company planned to increase that by 30% per renter "as we continue to roll out fees and other ancillary services," according to earnings transcript"

Post: Property Manager Recommendations

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8

Sent a message, I'd love to speak with you about mine. 

Post: New to Chapel Hill/Raleigh

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Marlon Fong:

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Here are some recommendations for you:

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Wishing you the best!


Keyword alerts are huge, had no idea, thanks for the tip!

Just here to also recommend the local meet-ups & REIAs

Post: Seeking RDU Investment Partner(s) & Guidance

Joshua MumfordPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 8

I’m Joshua, 25 years old and local to Raleigh since July ‘20. I cook professionally at one of the best restaurants in the area and have been doing so since November ‘20.

I've learned looking for my second rental property that lenders don't care about what you have, but what you make, and I'm seeking to efficiently partner my investment capital with other local RE investors to acquire SFH/MF properties that my income as a cook prevents me from doing so without paying entirely cash.

With one fully paid off Nashville property cash flowing I’m more concerned about positioning myself well for appreciation and building a portfolio in the area. Additionally would love to put in some sweat equity with more experienced guidance.

I’m easy going and passionately committed to growing as an investor—if you’re not familiar with my line of work, I’m efficient with time and project management, especially under pressure.

Feel free to reach out, and I would especially love to hear from anyone in construction and development as well.