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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Davidson

Joshua Davidson has started 3 posts and replied 55 times.

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There is no 60/40 rule outside of TikTok university


Sorry, “Rule of thumb.” I’m confident you knew what I meant. What’s TikTok university?

Again, no such rule. It's a myth promoted by ignorant "influencers" on social media. No. such. thing.

*Reasonable salary* then. @Michael Plaks you know what I am referencing so why do you need to be difficult? You did not answer my question or add anything helpful. If you have nothing helpful to add, please avoid posting.

What I am asking is if paying myself payroll and also taking profit distributions that are not subject to self-employment tax still applies if I am paying myself out of the Disregarded LLC and not the S-Corp directly. I would assume it would, but I am unsure so I came to the forums.

You're a CPA, for crying out loud. Don't propagate incorrect information. "Reasonable compensation" and 60/40 are two completely different things, as you well know. Call me difficult all you want, but I'm posting an important warning to the BP community: you cannot set your S-corp salary based on some rules of thumb, such as this 60/40 urban myth.

That said, there is also no such thing as paying yourself out of a disregarded entity and no such thing as an LLC "owned" by an S-corp.

Now you make me guess what your actual setup and your actual intention is. You have an S-corp that is generating income. You're a shareholder of that S-corp, and for some odd reason not directly but through a disregarded LLC. And you provide services for the S-corp.

The S-corp then should pay you a reasonable salary, and your (disregarded) LLC should not be part of the payroll arrangement.


Understood. As I said, S-Corp taxation is not my area of expertise, which is why I came here to look for assistance. I am a 50% member in a Parent LLC that owns other LLCs, used for specific purposes such as other businesses or real estate holdings. I do not currently run payroll through any entities. I was wondering about running payroll through one of the lower-tier LLCs and how it would operate if I made the Parent LLC into an S-Corp. The intention is to not pay payroll out of the Parent Holdco directly as that entity's only activity is holding interest in other LLCs and is therefore less liable if any incidents happened related to a lower tier LLC.

Quote from @Michael Plaks:
Quote from @Joshua Davidson:
Quote from @Michael Plaks:

There is no 60/40 rule outside of TikTok university


Sorry, “Rule of thumb.” I’m confident you knew what I meant. What’s TikTok university?

Again, no such rule. It's a myth promoted by ignorant "influencers" on social media. No. such. thing.

*Reasonable salary* then. @Michael Plaks you know what I am referencing so why do you need to be difficult? You did not answer my question or add anything helpful. If you have nothing helpful to add, please avoid posting.

What I am asking is if paying myself payroll and also taking profit distributions that are not subject to self-employment tax still applies if I am paying myself out of the Disregarded LLC and not the S-Corp directly. I would assume it would, but I am unsure so I came to the forums.

Quote from @Michael Plaks:

There is no 60/40 rule outside of TikTok university


Sorry, “Rule of thumb.” I’m confident you knew what I meant. What’s TikTok university?

I am looking to setup payroll for myself out of my company, call it LLC #1, and LLC #1 is owned by Parent LLC which I am looking into doing an S-Corp Election for. What I am unsure about is if the whole 60-40 rule around payroll deduction vs owner distributions within an S-Corp can still apply in this situation if the filing entity will only be the S-Corp but the payments are made out of LLC #1, the disregarded entity owned wholly by the S-Corp. I am assuming the treatment would be the same as it is a Disregarded Entity, but I would like a second opinion.

I hope this makes sense. Just looking for some clarity as this is not my area of expertise and Google results are less than optimal. Thanks.

Post: Looking For A Great Cpa/Accountant To Handle Our Investment Portfolio.

Joshua DavidsonPosted
  • Accountant
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 24

I sent you a message. Be on the lookout in your inbox.

Post: K-1 Partnership Tax Question

Joshua DavidsonPosted
  • Accountant
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 24

Hi @Kevin Barry,

Yes, that is correct. You will pick up all of the income and expenses from Open Door Capital on your 1065 and then issue K-1s to yourself and wife for your proportionate shares of your LLC. Good luck! Let me know if you have any other questions.

Post: New accountant needed for business and small real estate portfolio

Joshua DavidsonPosted
  • Accountant
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 24

Hi @Joey Anderson,

I am a CPA offering full-service accounting. We do bookkeeping, business and personal taxes, and offer fractional CFO services if you are looking for a more in-depth analysis of your business. We accept clients from all 50 states and provide you with a secure portal for sending sensitive information without worry. Please consider using my firm for your needs. Thank you!

Post: Basics of Maximizing Value in a BRRRR (4+ units)

Joshua DavidsonPosted
  • Accountant
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 24

When conducting a BRRRR of a property that a bank only allows a commercial mortgage on (4+ units), the ways to add value are much more straightforward than a smaller multi-family. I want to use this post to give a little insight on why I love commercial investing.

How The Property Value is Determined

The beauty of commercial real estate is that it largely only comes down to 2 numbers: Net Operating Income (NOI) and Cap Rate. So much so that the formula to determine the value of a commercial property is Net Operating Income / Cap Rate = Property Value. So what are these? 

Net Operating Income is simply your income left over after all business expenses, not including principal, interest, or any reserves (since those aren't expenses yet). 

Cap Rate is essentially the value given to a property reflecting the risk involved in the investment, which is expressed as a percentage usually between 4%-12%.

Okay so what does that mean and how does that reflect the property value? Let's look at a coffee shop example. Say you find two potential investments: a mom-and-pop coffee shop or Starbucks that both generate $100k in Net Operating Income per year. Which would you be willing to pay more for? Obviously you would want the Starbucks because they have the security of being a global brand with tried and true systems and processes that make it a much less risky investment than a mom-and-pop shop. In this instance, an appraiser may assess the Cap Rate of the Starbucks to be 5%, while the mom-and-pop shop is assessed to have a 10% Cap Rate. This means that the same investor (in theory) would be willing to pay $2 million for the Starbucks or $1 million for the mom-and-pop shop that both make $100k in NOI per year ($100,000 / 5% = $2 million; $100,000 / 10% = $1 million).

How Can I Add Value Then?

Because there are only two variables to worry about, you can focus your attack. You can increase your NOI by either increasing revenue or lower expenses. Making capital upgrades, such as painting, cabinetry, flooring, or countertops allow you to charge higher monthly rent because the unit looks nicer and is "newer" while also not be immediately expensed as they are depreciated items (talk to your CPA or hire a good one). If you are able to find an investment whose previous owners were renting below market rents, it's an easy solution to raise rents to market.

How Can I Affect Cap Rate?

Some people will tell you it's not possible. From my personal experience, I will tell you it 100% is possible because I did it. Over the course of 1 year, I was able to lower my cap rate by 1%, which can make a monumental difference in value. The key is thinking about it from a bank's perspective. As a Cap Rate is indicative of the risk involved in owning the property, you want to focus on doing things that make your investment less risky if a bank ever had to take over.

You can make your investment less risky by doing some of the following things:
- Convert all month-to-month tenants to annual leases
- Implement strict minimum rental criteria
- Add security cameras
- Make large capital and preventative improvements (fix drainage issues, install water pressure regulators, replace old HVACs...you get the picture)
- Essentially, prove with action that you are caring for the property on a long-term basis

The only way this is effective is if you document everything you are doing as well. And don't be afraid to mention to the appraiser where your cap rate was previously and where you feel it should be (within reason). Write it all down, print it out, and hand it to them. If you have a strong reason to believe you can command a lower Cap Rate, go for it. The worst they can do is disagree.

I hope this was helpful, even for just one person. There was lots of mystery when I got involved and I hope this can clear things up for you. If this was hard to understand or I can help you with other advice, please feel free to connect with me a message me. Happy BRRRRing!

Post: Searching for CPA

Joshua DavidsonPosted
  • Accountant
  • Morgantown, WV
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 24

Hi @Sara San Antonio,

In your search for an accountant, I would recommend seeking an accountant who also has personal real estate experience so that they can not only help you with your bookkeeping and tax needs, but also guide you and give you tangible recommendations for your real estate career.

Additionally, in today’s day and age, accountants are able to deliver the same caliber work to you from anywhere in the country. The best accountants and CPAs will be able to offer you a secure document transfer system in order to keep your sensitive information safe, and also be able to conduct their bookkeeping and tax return services electronically as well, saving both time and money.

In my personal ventures into real estate, I have started several LLCs and would be happy to share my real estate experiences with you. Feel free to connect with me!

Best of luck in your search!

Hi @William Ryans,

In your search for an accountant, I would recommend seeking an accountant who also has personal real estate experience so that they can not only help you with your bookkeeping and tax needs, but also guide you and give you tangible recommendations for your real estate career.

Additionally, in today’s day and age, accountants are able to deliver the same caliber work to you from anywhere in the country. The best accountants and CPAs will be able to offer you a secure document transfer system in order to keep your sensitive information safe, and also be able to conduct their bookkeeping and tax return services electronically as well, saving both time and money.

In my personal ventures into real estate, I have started several LLCs and would be happy to share my real estate experiences with you. Feel free to connect with me!

Best of luck in your search!