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All Forum Posts by: Joshua S.

Joshua S. has started 5 posts and replied 41 times.

Post: New from Sherwood Oregon

Joshua S.Posted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 23

Greetings from Beaverton! This is a great site, there's a wealth of information here. What are your long-term real estate goals? Any interest in rehabbing?

Post: I'm officially in business - My Tale

Joshua S.Posted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 23

Looks like a pretty thorough script... but... it's so long!

Personally, I'm going to go with Matt Theriault's strategy... find out if there's motivation, set the appointment, and get off the phone quickly. You'll have plenty of time to get all of the nitty-gritty details when you go to their house. Ultimately, I think this strategy would waste a little more time by going to meet with more dead-ends, but I don't think I'll mind that. Especially while I'm a beginner, needing experience. The more repetitions the better. His script was something like this:

"Tell me about your situation," shut up and listen.
"What do you want to have happen?" shut up and listen.
"If we were able to come to an agreement, how soon would you want to sell?" --Listen for motivation!
Set the appointment if it sounds like a winner.

It cuts to the chase, should get most of the relevant info, and gets them to like you by building some subtle rapport (you're quietly listening to their sob story).

Post: Trying to understand "wholesaling"

Joshua S.Posted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 23

And I guess one could expand on that further, and argue that the wholesaler is certainly an investor of sorts, he is technically investing in the contract, or *control* of the property. So from that point I'd say you could call that... real estate contract investing. Or just real estate investing. Take your pick.

Edit: I've officially given myself a headache.

Post: Trying to understand "wholesaling"

Joshua S.Posted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 23

This really just boils down to an argument over semantics: how you choose to use the word "invest" and how you are referring to the term "real estate."

Here was my thought process on the matter:

Is a wholesaler who flips one property for a profit, without using any of his own money on that particular transaction "investing in real estate?" Maybe. If your only problem with that scenario is that he's not using his own money, then I think that's a weak argument. First of all, zero is a number, and like it or not, zero can be used to calculate an "infinite ROI." Still disagree? Fine. But what if he invests some of his own money in the transaction? He then makes a calculable ROI. And if you go so far as to also count a wholesaler's marketing expenses as an investment, then pretty much all wholesalers make a calculable ROI, and they are technically investing. In the strictest sense of the word. So you still don't want to call that *real estate* investing? Okay fine. But what are they investing in? Their real estate business, no?

Post: Wholesaling commerical and residential property

Joshua S.Posted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 23

I'm guessing he's referring to assigning contracts and double closes. I'd like to know this as well.

Post: I'm officially in business - My Tale

Joshua S.Posted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 23

Right on David! Reading your post got me fired up. All the stuff for my yellow letters (envelopes, paper, pens) came in the mail yesterday and I'm sitting here writing them right now.

Sean Terry's podcast rocks, I started from episode 1 a few weeks ago and I'm currently plowing through all of the episodes, I'm about halfway through. He seems like a really good guy.

Interestingly, I just listened to an episode of Matt Theriault's podcast "Epic Real Estate Investing" (episode 44), and in it he interviewed one of his coaching students who ALSO worked at a mutual fund company and is now wholesaling. I think he was from Seattle. That's another quality show if you haven't listened to it yet.

Anyway, best of luck to you and please keep us posted on how things go with your first mailing! How many did you send?

According to fha-home-loans.com --

"You can use a FHA loan as many times as you desire. The only guideline is that you cannot have more than one outstanding FHA loan with a loan to value of higher than 75%. You can own rental property and purchase your primary residence using FHA financing."

Look, I don't know how else to put it, I was never considering trying this. It was a thought experiment, nothing more. As you can see in my profile, I am a complete newbie. I've never done a single real estate deal. I have thousands of questions and business ideas roaming around in my head, most of which aren't even remotely "sketchy" like this one. I thought it might make an interesting discussion, which it did :)

Give me a break Bill. I was simply asking why this idea wouldn't work, and I found it. It's not like I'm trying to get BP members to conspire to deal drugs here.

As for being based in reality, well, I disagree with you there. It's definitely feasible. In fact, I'll go ahead and say I take zero credit for the idea. A couple years ago, I heard from a friend of a friend that there was a guy in Arizona doing a version of this. It was working so well that banks were offering him "cash for keys" repeatedly to move him from properties. They didn't try to sue him because it wasn't illegal, it simply became routine, and he was making money hand over fist. Now, that's the STORY. For all I know, it's made up. Or maybe he's in jail now... lol. I didn't know what to expect when posting this idea on BP, I expected to catch a little flak, but for all I knew somebody could have jumped in and been like "Oh yeah, that's a perfectly legit strategy, totally legal, lots of people here do it, it's called XXXXX."

But regardless, because I asked the question, I learned all kinds of new information from the knowledgeable members here, and I learned enough to know that even if it could work from time to time, it would be unethical for several reasons OTHER than being an inconvenience to the banks.

It looks like I really rocked the boat here! I've taken the liberty of summarizing the key quotes from the thread:

"I sure hope you are not considering this"
-Tara G
"I don't know if you have potential as a real estate investor, but I can see you have great potential as a real estate guru."
-Don K
"Illegal."
-Jon H
"The Grand Canyon of snake pits."
-K Marie Poe
"Fraud, illegal"
-Joel O
"FRAUD"
-Joffrey L

Gotcha, loud and clear guys, thanks! Hahahaha I'm really starting to love this place