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All Forum Posts by: Josh Smalley

Josh Smalley has started 15 posts and replied 44 times.

Quote from @Miranda Holland:
Quote from @Josh Smalley:
Quote from @Miranda Holland:

Where are you located? 


 I'm in Ethiopia. I come home every summer to the US for 6 weeks. I'm from Seattle originally. But investing in OKC. 

 Wow! 

Typically, closing documents have to be signed and notarized at the title company or law firm.  There are digital notaries doing closings these days and international notaries extist but I'm not sure what private lending companies would do in your situation. Your documents might have to be authenticated over there in order to go through. Real estate lawyers and international realtors in Ethiopia might have information on how to purchase property in America. 

I'll ask lenders if they'll let a borrower close in Ethiopia 


Yeah, it would be through the embassy. It takes hours (aka, an entire day that I have to take off of work) and it's about $40 per notarized page. Therefore, it is not feasible to do wet signatures and notarizing from Ethiopia. I can close over the summer in the US. But my question is if there are any lenders who can help me close either by digital signatures or by a third party company that does notarizing. 

Thanks for your replies.

Quote from @Miranda Holland:

Where are you located? 


 I'm in Ethiopia. I come home every summer to the US for 6 weeks. I'm from Seattle originally. But investing in OKC. 

I'm a teacher living abroad. I am ready to purchase another property in OKC but need financing options that work with my context. It is extremely difficult and expensive to do any notarizing of wet signatures from where I work. I need a lender who can help me but doesn't require wet signatures. 

Also, I'm wondering if there are, after covid times, services online that provide notarizing that would be accepted by various lenders. That would be the ideal option for me.

Any thoughts?

@Ryan Vernich i live and work in Ethiopia. I started my own REI here every Thursday night.

Real estate here is a huge capital gains space due to political and tribal conflicts. It's too complicated to share here. I would not invest in real estate here at all. Your own path is through marriage/blood anyway.

Originally posted by @Stephanie Medellin:

@Josh Smalley  You definitely don't want to proceed with ordering your own appraisal; whichever lender you choose will need to order their own appraisal anyway and you'll be stuck paying for two.  Lenders don't need an appraisal to give you a quote, so you can still compare lenders, but get a quote for a few LTVs - 70%, 75%, etc.

Try to estimate the value as best you can for now. The value does have an impact on the rate (LTV) as well as how much money you'll be able to take out.

Ok great. Right now, because I was just calling around and not pursuing it further,  I was only getting variable options from lenders--"We can do 70% or higher depending". So, I think I just need to move forward now to get more solid numbers.

Thanks for the input.

Originally posted by @Lee Bell:

If you order an appraisal yourself, it will be for you. And you alone.

The lenders will not likely accept it. Let the lender order the appraisal.

They are not usually portable to another lender either.

 Thanks for the clarity, Lee. I appreciate it.

@Nicholas Covington

Thanks for the clarifications.

I had to call that many to find a few who would actually lend to me on a rental property. I have good credit and good dti. It's just that it's an investment property and not many are willing to lend against the equity in it.

Originally posted by @Nicholas Covington:

@Josh Smalley the appraisal process is handled by the particular lender. If you are getting an appraisal done you should already be at the point of which you chose your lender. No lender has to agree with taking on the appraisal if its not ordered through them. Some will allow transfers but there are many who do not which will mean you will be paying for another one should you decide to switch.

You need to narrow down what you want to do first, HELOC, 2nd mortgage, refinance are all very different things. I am not sure what you mean by orchestrating this process, as I am not sure what you are trying to handle yourself. Your job is to pick up the phone speak to someone and see if their terms are something you agree with.

You could always just locate a mortgage broker and allow them to shop for you, as mortgage broker myself this is the highlight of our services to make sure you are finding the best program for the situation and at the best deal.

In my opinion, a cash-out refinance is always the simplest thing to do to take out money from an investment property. 

Thanks for the feedback. I guess I misunderstood the process altogether so it's good I'm checking in here ahead of time. I have the terms from the lenders, and I have an idea of what I want in terms of strategy. I've called nearly 50 lenders/small banks/credit unions as I'm trying to pull equity from an investment property which is not an easy task. 

I guess I assumed that lenders, while giving you a ballpark, don't really do a hard pull on credit and give you real numbers from the underwriter until you've got an appraisal completed.

Hmmm, this might both simplify and complicate things for me. 

I appreciate the feedback.

Quick question as I've never done this before. I'm starting the process of applying with a few lenders for various products (HELOC, 2nd mortgage, refinance, etc.) that can help me take equity out of a rental property so that I can repurpose that money for another investment.

How do I manage the appraisal process? Do I just start with one lender, set up the appraisal, and then make sure the other lenders agree to this particular appraisal? Obviously I don't want multiple appraisals going on what with tenants in there right now and the costs associated. Or do I try to get everyone on board at the same time to approve of the appraisal (agree on the who and the when, for example)? I've never had to orchestrate this process.

Also, is it best to let your lenders know that you are shopping around to keep them a bit honest/competitive, or is it best to keep that information on the low down?

Thanks in advance.

Post: If you were in my shoes...

Josh SmalleyPosted
  • Arlington, WA
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Odie Ayaga:

I don't think there's a perfect right answer as everyone is different. Personally, part of the draw to note investing for me is that it is so delocalized compared to other forms of real estate investing. The same can be true though of buy and hold if done properly. You threw a number of different real estate disciplines that range from extremely active to extremely passive. I would start by determining where on that spectrum you would like to be. Highly active tends to offer higher returns, but greater risk and of course with it more of your time. If that doesn't sound palatable to you then you may want to lean passive.

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I just wonder if particularly passive options will get me to my goal within 10 years. Hmmm.