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All Forum Posts by: Josh Pass

Josh Pass has started 6 posts and replied 25 times.

Post: One rat found in house, what do I do?

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12

An update on this. I ended up contacting a real estate attorney and he just laughed his *** off how ridiculous my tenants were being. He said by law, I did more than enough. I sent my tenants a letter with very detailed info on the situation, the laws, etc and some more ground rules on working with me so we have a better landlord - tenant relationship. The man apologized. The woman did not and still acted terrible towards me. 

Regardless, I hired a property manager. Totally worth it so I don't have to deal with anything anymore. 

Post: One rat found in house, what do I do?

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12

Omfg so they call at 6am demanding I figure out how to eliminate  all rats today or they are talking to a lawyer . I offered to let them out of their lease but they don't want to. Even if they did, they said I'd have to give them back all their money, pay them back for moving expenses, fund them to stay in a hotel until they found something else. For God sakes, I highly doubt they  can do any of that (or can they) but it's still scary.  I really don't know what to do. It's been 6 days since they moved in! 

Post: One rat found in house, what do I do?

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12

how nice of them to also "save the receipts" for the traps they bought as well.  seriously, i pay for an exterminator same day and then they also want me to pay for all these traps.  for how long?  until there is never a rat ever?  that's ridiculous.  

Post: One rat found in house, what do I do?

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Leslie A.:

Josh,

You are giving up self management just based on this one incident?  I would give it time and see how it goes in the future.  You will have problems from time to time.  

I self manage mine (I had 8 at one time) and yes, it can be stressful, but the cost savings are well worth the small headaches. I think you're letting these people get to you because they go to your church.  One reason I don't rent to people I know.  

 i never wanted to be a property manager in the first place.  I am an extremely busy person and just don't have the time.  and i don't want to deal with any of this.  It's just too stressful for me.  I'd rather just pay someone to deal with it.  Yes, it cuts into my profits but so be it.  I think professional property managers bring more to the table than just me not wanting to deal with tenants.  They are also trained to know how to deal with them and what they can say or do.  I have zero desire to learn any of that.  I have limited time so I'd rather learn about acquiring more properties than learning how to be a property manager.  All the rest of my properties will be out of state anyways so they will be professional managed.  I only attempted to do this because they were people from the same church so I thought it would be a lot more laid back.

Post: One rat found in house, what do I do?

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12

I paid for an exterminator same day. He didn't find many reasons why it was there. It could  had easily came from the tenants as their stuff was in storage. That or leaving the door open for hours and hours as they  move in. Who knows. I just know I didn't have a rat in that house for 5 years I kicked there and suddenly there is one the first day they are there. . . I just wished they handled it differently. It sucks they made me out to be the bad guy. I had a 45 min response time and paid for a same day exterminator based on one rat sighting. I couldn't had done any better or faster for them an I got treated like crap. Oh well, welcome to the world of property management indeed. It's not for me. Will be hiring a professional soon. 

Post: One rat found in house, what do I do?

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12

Ya and that's what I did. Exterminator came same day. I paid it. They saw no real issue besides a few minor things. It already is in my lease that they are responsible. They probably brought it in when they moved in is my guess. I also did a inspection with them when they moved in. 

It just passes me off that they blew up my phone. I responded within 45 minutes and that wasn't fast enough. Then they go behind my back and tell all our friends and family (they go to the same church...) that weu gave them a disgusting house when I didnt.  I worked so hard to get the place ready for them. 

I just want to know legally how long I have to respond to requests. Yes, I don't want a rat in there , regardless of how it got there but to expect me to respond instantly and have it resolved instantly is ridiculous . I have my own life and career. Not even a professional property management company could probably be as fast as I responded. And them making my wife and I look like dirty people really pisses me me off. 

Post: One rat found in house, what do I do?

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12

I just rented my first rental home 3 days ago. They found a rat in the house and freaked out bad. What do I have to do as a landlord?  Like legally? I obviously don't want a rat in there. The tenants are acting its the devil himself. Refuse to set foot at the property. A rat trap was put out at night and it didn't catch it that night. They then called in the morning demanding an exterminator. I called back less than an hour later and they had already called one to come by stating I took too long to respond. . . 

Anyways, I want to tread lightly here as I don't want to get sued or fined or something. Would this be considered an emergency issue? If so, what is the time frame I have to respond and then also take care of it? And what does taking care of it mean exactly? Just getting rid of the rat that's there or also doing things like plugging ANY holes that the exterminator deems should be fixed? Keep in mind, it's a 70 year house. I am charging less rent than anybody else in the area (if that matters ). I lived in that house for 5 years with no issue. It probably got in the one month it was vacant. 

I'm in Washington state if that makes a difference. 

This is the Thanks I get for trying to do property management myself I guess. . . 

Welcome! I live in Kent. I'm new to this as well. Feel free to add me on here. There are a few groups locally but I haven't had time yet to go to any of them. Check meetup.com for them.. 

Post: Advice on how to continue

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Jerry W.:

@Josh Pass, welcome to BP.  The first thing you really need to do is look in areas where you can cash flow for rentals.  Until you know what prices are and how much rent you can get you cannot do a good analysis.  In or near big cities prices are often quite high.  As you go further out into the suburbs and more rural areas prices drop.  See if anything local is available for more reasonable prices.  With coastal areas inland becomes cheaper too.  Look at your purchase price rental ratios and talk with other investors in the area.  if you cannot find anything within 30 or 40 miles maybe you will have to look elsewhere.  Start near home first though.

 thanks for the reply.  Ya I've ran through the calculators on here and I could, potentially, cash flow here.  It's just cost to buying anything is so high.  Even going way out is still a couple hundred thousand dollars.  Even if I could buy one.  That's just one.  How do investors snowball to get more properties?  Say, I cash flow at $500/month.  that's great, except that's not enough money to then save up and buy another property.  It would just take too long.  Obviously I need to continue learning as lots of people on here are doing it.  I just need to learn how!

Post: Advice on how to continue

Josh PassPosted
  • Investor
  • Kent, WA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 12

Ok, I'm wanting to get into buy & hold but either I am at the state of 'analysis paralysis' or I am not really financially ready to do it.  So I'd appreciate some advice!

This is how I stand now:

-Own my home now.  $66k left on the loan ($600 month payment with taxes & insurance).  House worth anywhere from $150k-$250k (have to do some more analysis to get a better number).

-Have about $30k in savings and usually able to put $2k in savings every month unless I'm paying for some other expense like a vacation or Christmas presents or an emergency

-I have no other means of retirement accounts (no 401ks or anything like that)

Where we live now, we know it wasn't going to be our "forever" home.  We bought it foreclosed on for cheap and it was big enough for our family and more.  But the location (being on a major road surrounded by apartments) is not ideal for our children.  We know at some point, we wanted to move somewhere else.  Hell, if I could just move this house somewhere, that would be nice lol.  We like the house and i've put work into it but just the location...

Anyways, With the little cash reserves I have, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to begin real estate investing.  Like I said, i want to buy and hold for that passive income so hopefully, someday, I could quit my job but I can't even imaging how I can buy one property, let alone, a lot more to have enough to quit my job.  I don't have 20% down to put into even one more mortgage besides my own, let alone several.  And even if I could, it sure seems risky to exhaust the majority of my savings, right?  Obviously, I am thinking about locally in the Seattle area where the costs are high.  Perhaps, I have to start at the bottom of the market somewhere else just so I could afford it better but lots of people on here have suggested to not do that as that is more risky and the returns not very high.  

I thought about buying a new home for myself but getting something that would work for us would be a $300k mortgage or so ($2000k/month mortgage with taxes, insurance, etc).  There goes the $2000k a month I have to save and I'd literally be paycheck to paycheck.  Yes, I could rent out my old house and get some passive income that way but even with that income, I'd be pretty close to paycheck to paycheck with a lot less cash reserves (because I'd have to use it for the down payment for the new house).  The other option is to still buy a new house but then sell my hold house.  I'd probably get a good cash profit out of it, even if I sold it at the low end.  Let's say, low end, I make $100k profit on selling it.  I use some of that to put back into savings.  But that still only leaves me with enough cash to probably do one other investment property around here because of the down payment I'd have to use to get an additional mortgage.  Then, again, how do I get more investment properties with little cash?  I don't have private lenders in my family/friends group so I'd have to rely on hard money lenders but I still don't see how that is financially viable at all with the high interest rates and balloon payment after, say, a year.  I don't understand how I would make enough money in that year to be able to afford to pay the hard money lender back and also have the money to get a new traditional mortgage.  Perhaps I'm missing something with how hard money lending works (i've been reading about it but it still seems confusing and not viable to me but I could easily be wrong...)

ya the other option is I stay in this house and do a cash out refinance or HELOC but, again, it just doesn't bring enough cash in to really do much with. Am I missing something on how I can start? I really want to start investing as the thought at working my career until I die just sucks (if my career even still existed until I died lol).

Thoughts?  Suggestions?  Advice?  I'm over analyzing things?  I'm a dumb *** and not understanding something?  Any help is greatly appreciated!  thanks everyone!