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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Myers

Joshua Myers has started 11 posts and replied 145 times.

Post: Corona Virus Impact to Las Vegas Market

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Brad D.:

@Joshua Myers apparently reading comprehension is not your thing, but I'll try one more time for anyone else who might enjoy exploring new ideas as much as dopamine rage hits:

I think active trading is for fools and professionals. Professionals who make this their life's work will always have a HUGE advantage over people who dabble in this. They have better technology, education, and of course 'Information.'  You buy the rumor and sell the news. Most think they have access to 'rumors' but unless you have unique 'information' you don't have the rumor, you have the news.

Almost no one can beat the S&P 500, as Warren Buffet and others have said. So, if you are not going to make this your life's work and focus, you are better off not actively trading, and being in index funds long term. Additionally, for most people who do attempt to actively trade, there is a huge opportunity cost here, where there intelligence and effort could be spent better focusing on something like real estate, in their home or selected markets, where they have the chance to truly be an expert, and have that advantage over even the Harvard MBA's at Blackstone in terms of boots on the ground. You can have a chance against a 160 iq wall street pro in your selected real estate market; you almost certainly have no chance against him in the market. Wall street is wealth transfer from the masses to pros. Real Estate is now moving toward that as well, but less so.  

The raw IQ requirements to make it actively trading are far beyond me. If you are in that elite crowd and are truly plugged in, respect to you. 

So long term in the index funds for most is fairly orthodox, as most agree. Where I deviate personally, and I understand this is not orthodox, is getting out at times like this current situation. I got out Feb 26 and will sit on the sidelines until the situation seems to have bottomed out, maybe August or later, we'll see. Had I sat all of 2008 out, I would have been much better off. 

So if your argument is only that I am wrong getting out for 6 months or a year once every 10-ish years rather just staying in, that is a fair argument and the orthodox opinion. I disagree, but may be wrong. It's a case where I am faced with "What are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" I choose to believe my lying eyes here. 

I have an MBA, Masters in Finance, and passed all 3 levels of the CFA program. I also know several people working for pension funds, mutual funds, etfs, commercial banks and financial advisors. But I appreciate the education you just provided. It's always nice to get thorough explanations from people with limited knowledge and insight.

Post: Corona Virus Impact to Las Vegas Market

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Brad D.:

@Joshua Myers I meant pull out at the sign of a world shaking event on the horizon, not pull out now. I pulled out February 26 down a bit, but missed a lot of the pain, and will stay out until I see a bottom. I've never actively traded, don't study the market. I think active trading is for fools and serious professionals. I'm in index funds when things seem ok and in cash at times like this. I was late getting out in 2008 and learned my lesson. World about to go crazy? get out unless you're an expert short seller. Things see ok in the world's best economy, go long in the index funds (DJIA, nasdaq, S&P 500, etc)

But to the question of people pulling out now. I wasn't addressing that situation. That said, if I were in that situation now, I would still get out, as I think the market has farther to fall. I think what we've seen recently is a dead cat bounce. 

You don't study the market and you think active trading is for fools, BUT you're trying to time the market by predicting short term movements...... that makes sense. 

Post: Corona Virus Impact to Las Vegas Market

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Brad D.:


I The smart play for regular people is to pull out of your index funds, into cash and wait for the bottom. Even Warren Buffet was down for 2-3 years during the Great Recession and would have been better off in doing nothing, all in cash, but would have had a problem justifying his fees. 

1. Pulling your money out of an Index fund in the middle of a crash is not the smart play for regular people.

2. What are the fees that Warren Buffet is charging? Do you understand Berkshire Hathaway at all?

Post: Will COVID-19 Cause a Recession?

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Nick Gann:
Originally posted by @Sam Josh:

@Adiel Gorel

A friend wants to lose weight, 35 lbs. If he tries he can let that weight out in 12 - 18 months in a healthy fashion, not 6 days or 6 weeks. Odds are he may only lose 10 lbs or 15 lbs and give up. I’d give him better odds if he had only 15 lbs to lose. I think the wounds of Covid to the economy are the same. They are sharp and deep. Nothing is going to recover overnight. The economy will take 6 - 12 months of recovery time and recession is already happening.

 Something that seems to be overlooked in all the discussions regarding the current situation is, we were heading here prior to covid. And everyone I see commenting seems to think things will bounceback be cause "historically they always have" but the country is young. Most folks are not accounting for the fact that we may very well lose reserve currency status... all the USD in the world won't fix that problem. There are variables here that I just don't think most folks are smart enough to account for. We can look to the Schiff's and Kiyosakis with their statements about what is old being sustainable, gold/silver/land, it seems foolish to assume we go back to anything like we've had, the world is changing. It would be a good idea to keep an open mind and learn as much as you can while stocking up on things that you can actually spend. Maybe we pull through and the USD is fine, that seems like a farce of thought to me though.

 Why do you think we're losing reserve currency status? If anything the FED is cementing its position as the Worlds Central Bank even more by reviving swap lines and finding ways to provide even more dollar liquidity to other central banks. The EU and Japan aren't going to take that on when they're already in a panic over deflationary pressure. The idea of China taking up the role is comical and nonsensical in the middle of this. What major country or institution  wants the Peoples Bank of China running the show right now? For all the dollars flaws there just isn't an alternative.

Post: Will COVID-19 Cause a Recession?

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177

@Adiel Gorel I'm a little confused by the title of this thread. We are already in a recession. Q1 ended in a contraction and no one is questioning that Q2 will be an even deeper contraction. The questions now are how long and how deep the recession will be, will the recovery be quick or prolonged, and what lasting changes (if any) the recession will bring.

For everyone talking about how great the economy was prior to the virus, we should remember that we were running a Trillion dollar budget deficit, the Fed was already pumping liquidity into the system because repo rates were spiking, and over 1/3 of economists and CFOs were predicting a recession in 2020 (the numbers go up when you ask about 2021). So there were cracks in the system prior to these shutdowns that were being smoothed over.

Post: After Coronavirus is over!

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177

@Ron Fletcher @Krishnan T. @Rich Vogel I would make a direct link between current Fed and Treasury actions and a rise in inflation. If printing unlimited amounts of money and funneling cash directly into the economy was enough to cause inflation on it own then we would be seeing hyper inflation in Japan and several European countries.

Inflation is determined by money growth and the velocity of money, with velocity of money being the main determinant. Importantly for money growth we need to look at both public and private money growth. Think M0, M1, M2, M3, M4 and credit touching various asset classes. It's hard to tell what is happening to the overall money growth at the moment, but we know that private money growth has slowed (for obvious reasons) and public money growth has accelerated.

Velocity of money could potentially be impacted the same way that it was in 07-09, when people responded to uncertainty and reduced incomes by pulling back on spending to pay down debt, build up balance sheets, etc. Longer term we could see the deflationary pressures that Europe and Japan have been dealing with for some time (changes in demographics, increased savings rates to counter low yields, etc). 

Post: Covid Could Be a RE Disaster

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177

@Bob Woelfel you're right that I was being diplomatic. Personally I got very liquid in early February and pulled out of a deal to keep cash on hand. But a lot of people either didn't hear the warnings (they weren't loud enough) or were given bad information (there was, and still is, a lot of bad information out there).

More importantly, as investors, right now we need to be looking forward and recognize that over the next few months things will change in ways that we can't predict. If we were caught off guard 2-4 weeks ago we should keep that in mind as we figure out our next steps. That was the larger point I was trying to make.

Post: April Rent Collection? What Percent Did You Get In?

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177

@Russell Brazil for April just one tenant is late, but she's late enough that I've gotten used to the late payments. I'm optimistic about getting rent from most tenants next month because they should qualify for the stimulus checks.

Post: What is your Plan B?

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @John Morgan:

 After buying our 10th property, I told her she could retire since out rental income is what her job pays her 

It's 2020 and we're "telling" our wives these things!! I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but it still cracked me up...:)

Post: Covid Could Be a RE Disaster

Joshua MyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 177
Originally posted by @Bill B.:

@Bob Woelfel

US deaths 164 today down from 220 yesterday. 

https://www.worldometers.info/...

Don’t forget: 7500 Americans die every day. 

I'm quoting this just to show how much our understanding and outlook has changed in a week. There was serious talk, by the President and others, about opening things up by Easter. That was going to be when the worst was behind us in a lot of peoples minds. I'm operating under the assumption that the situation and outlook will have changed just as drastically in the next 1-2 weeks. I don't know what exactly it will look like, but I doubt it will look like my current assumptions in either scope of scale.