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All Forum Posts by: Josh Johnston

Josh Johnston has started 4 posts and replied 51 times.

Post: Guidance choosing a strategy?

Josh JohnstonPosted
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Hi all! 

My wife and I are getting ready to move from Rhode Island to Cleveland, Ohio in the coming months. We met while we were getting our teaching degrees, but nowadays she's at home with our two feisty (OH SO FEISTY) redheaded daughters and I'm the director of a middle school. But I am burned out on public education and I really don't want to start over in a new school in Ohio.  The way schools (and my experience) work make it that I'd very likely take an enormous pay cut, and we're struggling to support our family on my salary as it is!  So we're really considering starting real estate investing instead as a way to support our family. We know it'll be a slow process, and one or both of us might need to teach for a few more years after the move as we transition, but it's our hope and dream to spend more time with our (I can't emphasize this enough - feisty, feisty, zesty-level feisty) little redheads.  So, the sooner the better! I think that's probably true for many of us, right? 

After reading the Ultimate Beginner's Guide and the Book on Rental Property Investing, I'm feeling a little stuck about what strategy to pursue, at least initially.  In the Ultimate Beginner's Guide, Josh and Brandon say that a deal needs three things - hustle, knowledge, and money. I'm new to all of this, so I don't have much knowledge (though I'm working on that!) and I'd like to keep the hustle on the low end because, again, the whole point is to be with my daughters while they're young.  But what I do have is money. 

My wife inherited money that we could take 200k-400k out of while still remaining diversified.  It would still be a big risk for our future, but we could do it.  

So how can I use the power of that money to make more money? 

I considered buy and hold first. We could use the money to buy a few rental properties, and then using HELOC or home equity loans to buy more. But I honestly think I could get maybe 3 properties with cash and then, what, maybe two more with the loans? If the ones we paid cash are cash flowing, on average, 600-800 dollars a month, and the ones under loan are cash flowing 200 dollars a month, we're only talking 26-33k per year (and that's before taxes). But then I'm stuck after that - how do we acquire more property? The goal is to work on this and not have a job, so we won't have any W4s to get traditional mortgages off of, right? So we're stuck. Even if one of us did get a teaching job, we're probably only looking at 50k a year, which probably won't support a good loan, or, if it does, not more than one. Do I have that right?

Okay, so next I thought of private lending.  Lend the money out to house flippers like a private hard money lender.  But I have no experience in banking and I'm not even sure where to start reading about that (no handy Bigger Pockets guide - dang).  What information I can find suggests working in the industry 3-5 years for experience before starting on your own, which isn't an option (I doubt I could even get a job with my teaching background, so that would mean going back to school before getting a job.  Yikes!)

Right, soooo now I'm thinking about partnering with a more experienced flipper.  If I could find someone with the experience willing to do the hustle, I could contribute the money.  We'd work together to find the right property (leaning on their experience of course, but I'd want to be involved), I could contribute buying the property in cash and rehab costs, and the partner could lead on the rehab and sale.  Then we'd take the money I spent out of the sale and do some kind of equitable split of the profits.

Do you all think that strategy makes sense? Do people do that? Brandon mentions a similar deal in the Ultimate Beginner's Guide, where some friends put up the money and he rehabbed and manages the property and they split the profits, but from the way he writes it sounds like a rare kind of deal.  Would I attract valuable partners, or would it only be inexperienced flippers with no money yet interested in that kind of deal?

I'm sure I'm making all kinds of mistakes and have false assumptions.  I'm very new! I want you to tell me why I'm being a dumby. I can take it!  Am I guilty of trying to get rich quick, or is this reasonable to strategize around? Should I run away and just teach like a drone forever?

I know this has been a long post, so I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate the fact that you even read it. Thank you so much. I can't tell you how much I appreciate this community already. 

 

Originally posted by @Frank Patalano:
Originally posted by @Josh Johnston:

Hi everyone! I just joined Bigger Pockets forums.  I've already read the Ultimate Beginner's Guide and I'm working through The Book on Rental Property Investing, and I've listened to some podcasts, too.  I have so much appreciation for Josh and Brandon, and I'm really looking forward to being in conversations with you all, too.

My wife and I are getting ready to move from Rhode Island to Cleveland in the coming months.  We met while we were getting our teaching degrees, but nowadays she's at home with our two feisty (OH SO FEISTY) redheaded daughters and I'm the director of a middle school.  But I am burned out on public education and I really don't want to start over in a new school in Ohio, so we're really considering starting real estate investing instead as a way to support our family.  We know it'll be a slow process, and one or both of us might need to teach for a few more years after the move as we transition, but it's our hope and dream to spend more time with our (I can't emphasize this enough - feisty, feisty, zesty-level feisty) little redheads.

I want to be a member of this community, and, after a career of teaching, I believe in putting more in than you take out (believe me, that's what teachers are), so I guess I have a question about norms for this community.  My wife and I are slowly building a plan for how to invest once we move to the Cleveland area.  When we have a first draft, would it be appropriate to post it here for feedback? It wouldn't be advertising or self promoting at all - more like "here's a very messy first attempt at a plan by a brand newbie, what mistakes am I making or what do I not know?" Is that okay to do? Of course, I'm excited to dig into other conversations, too (even though I don't have a lot of expertise yet!) and we'll talk to a financial planner and a CPA, etc, on top of that! 


I'd love to talk to anyone working in the Cleveland area.  We have in-laws that live in Chagrin Falls (which is why we're moving there - my wife wants to be close to her family) but we aren't committed to any specific area beyond "not too, toooo far from Chagrin." We don't know much about the neighborhoods, only have a few contacts, and we're both slightly terrified.  


Thank you all so much for being you.  We can't wait to get started! 

 Good Luck Josh. I was a full time school teacher in RI for years.

Started buying rentals about 10 years ago. 

Currently looking to expand into Columbus.

 Thanks, Frank! Sounds like we're on very similar paths! 

Originally posted by @Dmitriy Fomichenko:

@Josh Johnston

Welcome to the BP family! Good to have you here! Here are some recommendations for you:

Find and connect with other BP members that are in your area: https://www.biggerpockets.com/search/users
Set up keyword alerts to be notified of the topics that interest you: http://www.biggerpockets.com/alerts
Read Beginner’s Guide: http://www.biggerpockets.com/real-estate-investing
Check out BP Podcasts: https://www.biggerpockets.com/podcast

Wishing you the best!

Thank you, Dmitriy! I feel like I'm already off to a stronger start thanks to this community. I was a little lost of setting up a keyword, so that's a big help.  Thanks!

Originally posted by @Daniel Hennek:

Break down the math; it's really that simple.  When people are saying "it depends on your business model" that is really all they are saying.  Everyone does things just a little different so all you need to do is account for all the math involved and see what comes out at the bottom.

Commissions are often times 3% of the sales price for each side of the transaction. Brokers will usually take between 15-30% of that from their agents depending on their business model. Then there are all the expenses you'll have to pay to get access to MLS, join any trade group required by your broker, carry E&O insurance, etc...If you only do a few deals per year the money you get back from being your own agent might not be worth the time you put into it.

Typically, when I hear of a person wearing multiple hats I think they must not be good enough at any of them to really make a living, or to make what they want to make.  Just think about this, if you're selecting a real estate agent are you going to choose the person who makes a living at it and does it every day all day long, or the person who is also serving in other roles to make their living?  

I think you're making the right choice to focus on the investment first.  If 2% of a deal is going to break it then your margin is too thin anyways.

 I've been wondering about that too, and this was a really helpful perspective.  Thank you! 

Originally posted by @Ryan Evans:

Good luck with the move and getting up and running with your first investment! I moved out here last year to build my portfolio faster and it's been quite an interesting year full of ups and downs. If you can finance a nice side-by-side duplex then that might be a good start to get your feet wet as a landlord. 

 That's helpful advice! Thanks, Ryan. Good to hear that Cleveland's a desirable market, too! 

Originally posted by @Nicole Heasley Beitenman:

@Josh Johnston Those are absolutely appropriate questions. I work in Cleveland and own one property there which I lived in for several years. I'm always happy to connect with fellow local investors! 

 Thank you so much, Nicole! Congratulations on your third buy and hold in March! I'm jealous that you really feel like a landlord. Can't wait for that feeling, too!

Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Josh Johnston:

Hi everyone! I just joined Bigger Pockets forums.  I've already read the Ultimate Beginner's Guide and I'm working through The Book on Rental Property Investing, and I've listened to some podcasts, too.  I have so much appreciation for Josh and Brandon, and I'm really looking forward to being in conversations with you all, too.

My wife and I are getting ready to move from Rhode Island to Cleveland in the coming months.  We met while we were getting our teaching degrees, but nowadays she's at home with our two feisty (OH SO FEISTY) redheaded daughters and I'm the director of a middle school.  But I am burned out on public education and I really don't want to start over in a new school in Ohio, so we're really considering starting real estate investing instead as a way to support our family.  We know it'll be a slow process, and one or both of us might need to teach for a few more years after the move as we transition, but it's our hope and dream to spend more time with our (I can't emphasize this enough - feisty, feisty, zesty-level feisty) little redheads.

I want to be a member of this community, and, after a career of teaching, I believe in putting more in than you take out (believe me, that's what teachers are), so I guess I have a question about norms for this community.  My wife and I are slowly building a plan for how to invest once we move to the Cleveland area.  When we have a first draft, would it be appropriate to post it here for feedback? It wouldn't be advertising or self promoting at all - more like "here's a very messy first attempt at a plan by a brand newbie, what mistakes am I making or what do I not know?" Is that okay to do? Of course, I'm excited to dig into other conversations, too (even though I don't have a lot of expertise yet!) and we'll talk to a financial planner and a CPA, etc, on top of that! 


I'd love to talk to anyone working in the Cleveland area.  We have in-laws that live in Chagrin Falls (which is why we're moving there - my wife wants to be close to her family) but we aren't committed to any specific area beyond "not too, toooo far from Chagrin." We don't know much about the neighborhoods, only have a few contacts, and we're both slightly terrified.  


Thank you all so much for being you.  We can't wait to get started! 

Welcome aboard Josh.

Thanks, James! Looking forward to listening to episode 127!

Originally posted by @Tom Ott:
Originally posted by @Josh Johnston:

Hi everyone! I just joined Bigger Pockets forums.  I've already read the Ultimate Beginner's Guide and I'm working through The Book on Rental Property Investing, and I've listened to some podcasts, too.  I have so much appreciation for Josh and Brandon, and I'm really looking forward to being in conversations with you all, too.

My wife and I are getting ready to move from Rhode Island to Cleveland in the coming months.  We met while we were getting our teaching degrees, but nowadays she's at home with our two feisty (OH SO FEISTY) redheaded daughters and I'm the director of a middle school.  But I am burned out on public education and I really don't want to start over in a new school in Ohio, so we're really considering starting real estate investing instead as a way to support our family.  We know it'll be a slow process, and one or both of us might need to teach for a few more years after the move as we transition, but it's our hope and dream to spend more time with our (I can't emphasize this enough - feisty, feisty, zesty-level feisty) little redheads.

I want to be a member of this community, and, after a career of teaching, I believe in putting more in than you take out (believe me, that's what teachers are), so I guess I have a question about norms for this community.  My wife and I are slowly building a plan for how to invest once we move to the Cleveland area.  When we have a first draft, would it be appropriate to post it here for feedback? It wouldn't be advertising or self promoting at all - more like "here's a very messy first attempt at a plan by a brand newbie, what mistakes am I making or what do I not know?" Is that okay to do? Of course, I'm excited to dig into other conversations, too (even though I don't have a lot of expertise yet!) and we'll talk to a financial planner and a CPA, etc, on top of that! 


I'd love to talk to anyone working in the Cleveland area.  We have in-laws that live in Chagrin Falls (which is why we're moving there - my wife wants to be close to her family) but we aren't committed to any specific area beyond "not too, toooo far from Chagrin." We don't know much about the neighborhoods, only have a few contacts, and we're both slightly terrified.  


Thank you all so much for being you.  We can't wait to get started! 

 Hello and welcome! Happy to have you in Cleveland! 

 Thanks, Tom! Weird fact: I was actually born in Cleveland but my parents moved me to Connecticut when I was little and I grew up there.  So, really, this is sort of a wayward son come-home kind of moment for me. 

Originally posted by @Remington Lyman:

@Josh Johnston Good luck on your REI start and welcome to Ohio. I moved here 7 years ago from CT and love it. It can be rewarding if done correctly.

Thank you, Remington! Next step: figure out how to do it correctly!  

I actually grew up in CT, so I guess we're in this together. 

Hi Chrissa! My wife and I are brand newbies getting started in Cleveland with young kids, too.  

Good luck to you and husband! I'm rooting for you from afar.