Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 54%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$69 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Josh Green

Josh Green has started 21 posts and replied 346 times.

Post: Wholesaler Took My EM

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Hunter Gibson:

Hi everybody I was wondering if you could help me. There is a home in Tampa I went UC with a wholesaler and told him I was closing it conventionally which they were fine with.

Long story short the home is a triplex and zoned as a SFH so the lender will not lend on the property forcing me not to close and the wholesaler took my EM. Even though a DSCR loan or any other loan would not lend on the property. Is there any way to get the EM back or make sure title is not aloud to give it to them.

Off-market property, which is likely the case if you were buying from a wholesaler, has no financing or appraisal contingencies most of the time. If that is the case for you, there's nothing you can do to get that back. Best case scenario, you can extend the timeline and close on it with a HML. I recommend using an experienced agent to help you buy especially off-market deals to help avoid costly mistakes. If you need a good HML just DM me. Good luck! 👍

Post: Has Anyone in CFL Bought a STR Recently (2022+) to Offset Their W2 Income Tax

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Andrew Galloway:

Hello Bigger Pockets CFL community. I am looking into the STR and STR/bonus appreciation strategy as a way to offset W2/short term income. Since the market pre-May 2022 just is not comparable anymore I am interested in anyone who has done this in CFL from around May 2022 onward successfully and how it went.

The goal would be to aquire a STR that would cash flow itself, or at worst break even and also use that to maximize deductions to lower W2 federal income tax. I've read about strategies to do this and bonus depreciation and how the 1 year bonus depreciation is being phased out. While Orlando is a huge STR market, I'm also aware that it is currently a tough and saturated market.

If anyone has successfully done this in CFL, please give as much detail about how you did it and how it went. Or if you tried it and it failed also let me know. Another caveat: there are a lot of STRs out there that are breaking HOA/local government/state/federal laws or strongly bending the rules, and I'm looking for people who did not do that or who mitigated risk there.

For myself, I am a high income W2 earner and I currently have FEIE foreign income tax exclusion but at some point I have to be able to return to the USA fully or at least hedge against that possibility. So I am looking at this as a way to decrease my federal income tax if I lose FEIE. Otherwise I would start getting hit with very nasty taxes. I also am looking at this strategy for a family member who is in the area with W2 income.

Thank you!


As Ray mentioned - I do this a lot for many clients that are out of state. I've purchased at least 20+ in the last 12 months and I've bought 3 myself. I used bonus depreciation on 2 I bought last year and wrote off over $350k. I'm a real estate pro so material participation isn't an issue, but the majority of my clients are in the $300k-$900k/yr gross household income range and so using STRs is not only the best way to get great ROI on real estate nowadays but the tax benefits are the primary driver for most including myself. Feel free to DM and we can see if you'd be a good fit the market I work and if not, at least I can give you a few pointers as far as STR fundamentals and a couple resources for cost segregation.

Post: STR in Unincorporated Bay Pines (5 min drive to Madeira Beach) or Indian Rocks Beach

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Rachael Palmer:

Thanks Josh!!

What's your opinion on this specific area of unincorporated vs. waiting for something on Indian Rocks Beach? I read somewhere that Unincorporated areas like Lealman doesn't have great returns so I want to ensure Bay Pines unincorporated would do better or is there another area to consider?

The area among several others is more than capable - the finish product is far more important once you’ve picked an area that’s proven to perform.

I’ve bought 25+ for me and clients in the last 18 months and manage 15+.  I also have a world class designer on my team that helps get these kind of properties from the average $60-$75k/yr range to over $100k/yr range (for 3bd homes; more the bigger you go).  

If you haven’t already signed with an agent I’d be happy to go into more details over a video call. 👍

Post: STR in Unincorporated Bay Pines (5 min drive to Madeira Beach) or Indian Rocks Beach

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Rachael Palmer:

Hello everyone,

I grew up in St. Petersburg and now live out of state. However, I'm interested in investing in a STR in my home state, especially as my mother still lives here. I've looked in Tampa (Hyde Park, Tampa Heights, Seminole Heights) and Pinellas county (Clearwater beach, Indian Rocks, Lealman, St. Pete) and have narrowed it down to finding a single family home with a pool in the unincorporated Bay Pines area or Indian Rocks Beach (note, it took a long time for me to get over my beach view condo dream in a popular area but HOA fees and restrictions helped!). Does anyone have experience with STRs in either of these areas? Any preference for one over another? Is this a good idea?

I'm thinking that I need to buy soon while it's a buyer's market and refi when rates go down - am I thinking about this the right way?

Any and all advice is very much appreciated!

Thanks!

Rachael

Hey Rachel,

you’re correct, if you’ve run your numbers the conclusion to drop the beachfront condo idea in favor of an SFR in unincorporated parts of Pinellas county is the way to go. Timing wise as well, though the good STR properties haven’t seen much if any decline in prices have seen a decrease in competition to buy. With recent rate drops though I have notice that competition much higher than a couple months ago. It’s a great time to buy during the low season to get launched, stabilized and get your tax write offs now (60% bonus depreciation this year vs 40% next year).  This allows you to hit the high season at full speed and like you said, refinance your payment as rates soften next year!

Post: would like to chat with an investor friend realtor in Tampa Florida area

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Joey Keske:

@Josh Green is AMAZING! Not only will he find you exactly what you are looking for, but has experience and is currently invested in the area! He knows the ins and outs of everything, and I can't say enough good things about him. Will be able to connect you with everything you need throughout the process as well. 


 Appreciate you Joey!  

Post: STR Tips & Advice

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Ahmed Omran:

As a real estate agent and seasoned short-term rental (STR) host with over seven years of experience, I've seen the STR market evolve, especially post-2021, where competition is at an all-time high. Here are some key strategies to consider to help you stand out, maximize your occupancy rate, and boost your cash flow.

First and foremost, invest in properties short distances from popular vacation spots like famous beaches, golf courses, and locations with great weather all year. Not only will you attract families in the summer, but you will also have older couples come to places like Florida during colder months up north. Additionally, a property with a pool and a spacious backyard is a huge draw, as guests love the idea of relaxing by the pool and hanging out outside enjoying the fresh air. Research your competition to see what amenities they offer and look for opportunities to add or improve upon these features to make your listing more attractive. Remember, unique amenities can make all the difference in a crowded market, so the more you add, the more you will stand out, and it will pay off.

Utilizing a dynamic pricing software is crucial for ensuring your property is always competitively priced, maximizing bookings and revenue. If you're self-managing, having a reliable team of cleaners is essential, as a spotless property leads to great reviews and repeat guests. Also, cleaners are the first eyes on the property after check-out and will let you know if things need to be fixed or replaced. Also, you must familiarize yourself with local laws and regulations regarding STRs to avoid purchasing in areas that are not STR-friendly, which could save you from legal headaches and poor investment choices.

Another critical strategy is staging your home to appeal to your target guests. For family-friendly rentals, include children's utensils, plates, a pack 'n play, and games. Providing beach chairs, umbrellas, and a cooler can enhance the guest experience and contribute to glowing reviews if your property is near the beach. The goal is to make before as comfortable as possible without worrying about packing everything for their trip. By implementing these strategies, you can stand out in a crowded market and ensure your short-term rental thrives.

Do you need more tips, or are you looking to invest in a new property in Pinellas County, FL? Let's connect!


 To add, I like to view STRs as running a small business.  There's so many ways to get creative, unique, etc to be sure it is successful.  Some of these include:

1) Your product/value proposition

2) Marketing/Management/Customer Success

3) Systems, Automations, Efficiency

4) Location

To me, #1 has the biggest weight on the success. Having hundreds of hours managing a myriad of STRs you really get to learn and get a pulse on what makes a property successful, how to mistake proof a property, and what it takes to keep them performing optimally. It is so important in fact, that I'm very selective with who I work with. While I don't have 7 years under my belt, I can say the majority of my properties I own/manage have been done in today's higher interest rates and prices. It's a completely different ball game post 2022 than it was pre-2021 as the Tampa Bay market continues to become more and more "professionalized" like other big markets like Orlando, Scottsdale, Nashville, etc. That's the growing pain for those that aren't ready to compete in the STR space accordingly, but that's the advantage for those that know.

Post: Investing in SFH vs MF in St. Petersburg and Tampa

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Aaron A.:

Hello everyone! 

How do you feel about the area just south of downtown Saint Pete now that the Tropicana project has been approved?  Think it’s good area to buy for a LTR house hack?  Do you foresee those older areas having high possibility of excellent appreciation over the next 5-15 years? 

Yes - it's somewhat street by street when you go south of central but being within say 10 blocks of central ave you're still in a great proximity to downtown.  In a strong seller's market, like we had the past couple years, the appreciation % was quite similar in those zip codes as others more north.  

Post: Least seasonal STR market in FL?

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Mike McGee:

A couple of years ago I sold an LTR and 1031-exchanged it for an STR in the NC mountains. I have grown to really like the STR business! Now I want to sell a handful of LTRs and buy another STR, this time preferably in Florida. I like the Punta Gorda / Charlotte county area, but I'm open to other markets.

As far as STR’s in FL, seems like everything is somewhat seasonal. The panhandle is seasonal - busy in summer for beaches, slow in winter because it’s too cold. SW FL is seasonal the other way - busy in winter for northerners escaping cold, but slow in summer because it’s too hot.

Seems like there should be some place in FL that’s a happy medium. (I'm not really interested in the Orlando/Disney market.) Any other suggestions for less-seasonal Florida STR markets?

Thanks!


 Hey Mike, I offer a white-glove solution for out-of-state investors for STRs in the Pinellas County area (Clearwater to St Pete).  I just ran a report on one of the bread n' butter properties I do for clients and this property has been running for 10 months (since last october).  Final figures: 76.8% occupancy and a gross income (not booking value) of over $120k across all channels.  Property was bought with today's rates and numbers and performing well.  A big reason for it is that we make our properties top-performers with professional experience in the acquisition of a property, to the professional design, and excellent management at discounted rate for clients (15%)!  We have it all available and customizable for you if you're more of a DIYer or wanting a full-service experience.  


Now, a lot of people call and ask me what it takes to get a project like this done. The recommended cash budget is as low as $180k (for the DIYer) and $225k-$250k+ if you are 100% hands off. This is because I recommend at least 20% down and the homes tend to cost $500k-$650k for the lower-end budget. Prices less than that tend to require a lot more rehab budget or, are unlikely to have the proper mix of location, size, amenities, etc to have a strong ROI.

If you follow @robbuilt from BP you'll see he just posted on his IG story a link to my most recent STR I launched for a client! That'll give you an idea of the finished product we do to get great returns. If you're have a bigger budget, there are definitely great opportunities in what I call "Tier 1" properties. This budget is higher, but the ROI is as well. Those prices range from $800k-$1.5M depending on the specifics but the income increase is as much and the cost to own is slightly lower because insurance, maintenance, and utility costs do not go up linearly on these making a bigger margin for you. If you fit this category or the "tier 2" category ($500k-$650k), feel free to DM me and we can see if it'd be a good fit to work together and discuss the process.

As a sneak peak, as I don't post or share numbers with non-signed clients, we tend to see 10-25% CoC returns depending on YOU: what you do or do not contribute and the finished product you choose to make ultimately. Someone self-managing and DIYing the design/furnishing has the potential to see the higher end of the return assuming they are a good operator; while someone who outsources the design/furnishing and management will of course see the lower end of the return as they aren't putting nearly the same amount of time into it. This is all with today's prices and rates too so no stat padding (and a good chunk of the cash used is just equity/downpayment on the home).

Post: Where to own STR that cash flows at current interest rates?

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Allen Berrebbi:
Quote from @Josh Green:

I personally am buying and helping clients buy in the Tampa Bay Area for a few reasons:

Here, you have a historically strong and consistent tourism presence, limited land/STR allowable areas, highly liquid property compared to selling a cabin in the woods, all 9 classes of visitors in the STR sector, and appreciation. Florida is projected to lead the country in net migration in the US and projects a 10% net increase by 2030 with Tampa leading that charge. The ratio of new jobs to new home starts is a staggering 2:1 making that growth sustainable. It's a jack of all trades here with little to no trade offs/cons when comparing apples to apples to other large STR markets.

The key to success here though comes in the knowledge and execution. Buying the right property type, location and price are half of the equation. The other half is: excellent finished product design and management at a reasonable cost.

As an investor and agent here, I have partnered up with top national designers that make the process turnkey for my clients and ensures them a top performing product. The difference in this portion of the execution can be $30k-$60k/yr more money in your pocket vs. that of our competition all other factors equal (such as the property size/location).

Next, to drive costs down, I co-host (only for clients) at 15% which is 5-15% less than the large PM firms. This again puts another $6-$20k in my clients’ pockets and getting a more personalized and boutique experience rather than being just another number.

Because I also own and buy actively, I also have the proven vendors that further save my clients money from insurance, landscaping, pest control, pool care, and handymen/hvac/plumbing/electrical.

With all that in mind, there's a few different categories of property you can buy that maximize their returns. CoC returns of 15-25% can be had here based on what skills and or effort you put into the project. I have clients that like to be 100% hands off and I have others that will fly in and do their furnishing/design themselves and even some that self-manage out of state.


 Based in Tampa and would love to know more

 I’ll PM you 👍

Post: Where to own STR that cash flows at current interest rates?

Josh Green
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater, FL
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 337
Quote from @Linda Temples:
Quote from @Josh Green:
Quote from @Ian Potts:
Quote from @Josh Green:

I personally am buying and helping clients buy in the Tampa Bay Area for a few reasons:

Here, you have a historically strong and consistent tourism presence, limited land/STR allowable areas, highly liquid property compared to selling a cabin in the woods, all 9 classes of visitors in the STR sector, and appreciation. Florida is projected to lead the country in net migration in the US and projects a 10% net increase by 2030 with Tampa leading that charge. The ratio of new jobs to new home starts is a staggering 2:1 making that growth sustainable. It's a jack of all trades here with little to no trade offs/cons when comparing apples to apples to other large STR markets.

The key to success here though comes in the knowledge and execution. Buying the right property type, location and price are half of the equation. The other half is: excellent finished product design and management at a reasonable cost.

As an investor and agent here, I have partnered up with top national designers that make the process turnkey for my clients and ensures them a top performing product. The difference in this portion of the execution can be $30k-$60k/yr more money in your pocket vs. that of our competition all other factors equal (such as the property size/location).

Next, to drive costs down, I co-host (only for clients) at 15% which is 5-15% less than the large PM firms. This again puts another $6-$20k in my clients’ pockets and getting a more personalized and boutique experience rather than being just another number.

Because I also own and buy actively, I also have the proven vendors that further save my clients money from insurance, landscaping, pest control, pool care, and handymen/hvac/plumbing/electrical.

With all that in mind, there's a few different categories of property you can buy that maximize their returns. CoC returns of 15-25% can be had here based on what skills and or effort you put into the project. I have clients that like to be 100% hands off and I have others that will fly in and do their furnishing/design themselves and even some that self-manage out of state.


 Where are STRs legal in Tampa though? No where near metro if I am not mistaken. I know there's some unincorporated in Pinellas County, but I know of none in TB proper...

Tampa Bay Area not specifically Tampa 👍
What areas and product do you find rents best in Tampa?

I like Pinellas county for STRs.  The locations are limited but more importantly than location honestly is staying within a proven buy box, not over leveraging, and having a great finished product.  I rather have an A product in a B area than a B product in an A area.