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All Forum Posts by: Joseph R. Smith

Joseph R. Smith has started 8 posts and replied 71 times.

Post: BRRRR INVEST ACADEMY (NATE BARGER)

Joseph R. SmithPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Carthage, NY
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 47

I'm joining. Expensive and a little scary for me personally. I'm at a point in my life and real estate career where I need somebody. But in my correspondences so far with top people there last 24 hours, they have been absolute Godsends. Only Brandon Turner's Tribe for $700/mo is what I have seen on this apparent caliber of Nate's Academy. I think and hope. I say take a gamble for anyone in which its even possibly feasible for and trust they're process. 

Post: Jerry Norton programs ($10k finder fee - Powerflipper)

Joseph R. SmithPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Carthage, NY
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 47

I'm watching his "How to get 100% funding for unlimited deals" right now. I can't remember how he crossed my path, but its the first webinar of his I've watched, after my email was blown up by 100 emails in 3 weeks on what appears to be a wide variety of topics. 

Really disappointed after 5 minutes. 10 minutes in, I was googling "scam". Bottom line, it just doesn't smell right at all. My thoughts are: 

1) He's into far too soo many diverse aspects of real estate that are quite the highly specialized niche. Like a dozen of them. There's no normal chosen focus or strategy. Therefore, unlikely to be a guru...or even worthy mentor of any. 

2) Don't quote, but within the first 10 seconds or 1 minute of the webinar I could have sworn him say he only has or has "only" made $1.2Million of his own money. 

3) If since he as a wholesaler (one of his dozen professed niches) has all this software, which can identify motivated sellers, has a network of buyers, has so many structures and systems in place, then what in the world would he need us for. Has a vast network of hard money or private lenders that give to him-so he can give to us-Not making sense.

4) Worse, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that for three weeks he's claimed via email to watch this same seminar, but then in it is a bit too over the top in deadline marketing about how hurry theres only so many spots left and ect. Moreover, consider how he says in the next breadth more on how he has no sufficient track record to eventually syndicate and be a decamillionaire or centimillionaire so thats why he needs to give to us to establish himself as one. In turn uses these claims of his limitations (also such as only having so much money he is being lent) to give to us. Pure circular comedy actually.  

Let me give you an analogy using the retail trading world of what I fear real estate could become. My other background for 15 years now is in the trading world. First, self professed traders on their cell phone apps placing trades with their typically less than $1000 stand virtually next to zero chance of success. In that world the typical path is 6-8 years in formal financial education, then if trading just for self, losing many first few thousand dollar accounts for about another 3-5 years. On my social media, there were about 10,000 of these that followed me. About 30 Thirty of those 10,000 verify are successful at all, usually with twice my formal education level and years experience trading. About 9,000 have been blocked as "social media clowns". The 1000 I talk to stand a chance-but they are typically NASA engineers or other post graduate level mathematics professionals and willing to lose in trading the first three years. And ready to read 20 1000 pg books on the subject. Secondly, do the basic math. Lets suppose someone can make 10%/per month return on capital trading. Oh, Very few can right? We do this by risking 1%-3% capital per trade because of 10% occasional drawdown that will come with that, mind you. Now lets suppose someone's goal is to earn their annual salary trading and leave their W2. Thus if they make say $50k/year at their W2, they would need $50K starting capital to make that 10% per month! But their walking around their job at taco bell showing how they just risked 70% of their $500 total capital on a single trade and made $50 bucks on that lucky day. -Because the gurus they all paid a few $grand for a course-or signal service-or robot told them they could retire a millionaire by starting with their $1000. Theyre trading against us with tens of thousands of dollars in services we pay out and 8 monitors and news feeds of they're exact positions to wipe out, mind you. Third-so in the last 7 years came the "prop trading firms". This is where the "retail trader" pays $1000 to a firm to prove themselves as a competent trader for 2 months and then is given $50K to trade. The prop firms claim to have "whales" and millions wishing for higher returns. In actuality the prop firms make the vast majority of their money collecting $1000 from novice traders as their business model. One stat showed that about 4 in 775 traders didn't blow the account within 4 months-that's how many are successful! Fifth, now here's the point: Next came along more novice traders who collect $1000 from the other novice trader to "pass they're prop trading firm tests" in order to get an account lol. Sixth: See this complexity of chaos goes on. You see the circus. 

This Jerry Norton is the real estate analogy of that retail trading world. A social media clown. In real estate I stick to tried and true methods for 28 years now. As in working 3 jobs and sleeping 2 hrs day in the 5x8 office for that first $10k until buying that first long term buy and hold rehab at age 18, learning how to manage tenants, learning how to manage financial risk. No disrespect to anyone, but cant we begin to see the increasing amount of novices with zero cash, poor credit, little income for personal expenses, haven't heard of they're local meetup nor bigger pockets nor which book like Kiyosaki nor Brandon Turner nor Grant Cordone's etc-all about to become millionaires easily. Do keep it up in right directions but beware the false gurus. Jerry Norton hes "just so awesome" that he doesn't need to actually know or do anything. He states in the video this-that he, "considers rehabbing or flipping himself risky so he'd rather not" lol. He just so awesome that he knows not just 100% financing but house flipping, notes, instant comps, contractor agreements and a ton of legal paperwork that's "took him 17 years to compile" software, wholesaling, syndication, MLS access, lets see the other 126 emails from him here: " "How to get out of contracts" lol, "How to make a million dollars a year flipping houses" (but he'd "rather not cause its risky" at the same time)... Hes this awesome so he really needs us and our $1000 given his lack of capital and expertise. He's another future billionaire building a house of cards empire to be afraid of. A walking talking contradiction-Admitting his view of increased STR regulation, then stating it to hurry and buy into his stuff and that market in next breadth. Thank you bigger pockets! For all your comments here and especially to the OP. I can get this clown's emails erased and blocked and webinars off my schedule now. Traders: Stick with real estate instead ;)

Post: Multi-family Insurance Broker in Upstate NY

Joseph R. SmithPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Carthage, NY
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 47

Hi Michael. Peter Skobic or Steve Glick in our area. Are the best two I know. 

Post: New Investor in the Upstate (Watertown / Ft. Drum area) NY Market

Joseph R. SmithPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Carthage, NY
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 47

Hi John! Welcome to join us. This is the real estate investors meetup group in the area. : https://www.meetup.com/north-country-real-estate-investing-c...

Post: Looking for a virtual or in person REI Group

Joseph R. SmithPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Carthage, NY
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 47

Yes. Here is the Watertown NY area real estate investors meetup group. : https://www.meetup.com/north-country-real-estate-investing-c...

Post: Paying off student debt 1st or GET INVESTING!

Joseph R. SmithPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Carthage, NY
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 47

$140,000 in student debt here. Much more than that in property equity. Mine was in many areas of finance including financial planning. What most people do not know or seem to realize is student loan payments do not have to be paid back for at least 9 years while remaining in good standing. They give 3 three year forbearances-1 for if one did not find employment or underemployment in the job they were expecting, another 1 for similar financial hardship if their salary is under a certain threshold, and another 3 years for any no particular reason if requested. They remain in good standing on credit reports. This is on top of the several year Covid forgiveneses and current administration. 

Most people do not understand or know constructive verses destructive debt. With school loans being 6% interest or less, I have no idea why anyone would first pay them off when the funds could be used to acquire investments making many times over 6%. At least 25% and some investors I know locally making up to 1000% per year. Its a very David Ramsey mindset which has no place for those who understand investment. 

Moreover, even if someone was not an investor, I feel its best to not pay any payments towards them at all for as many years as possible. For reason that salaries typically double or triple 10 years into ones career path.  Of course this is Not what they teach in formal finance school education. Incorrectly. 

Post: Looking to start a portfolio for Cashflow. Has anyone invested in Watertown NY ?

Joseph R. SmithPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Carthage, NY
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 47

Yes. The appreciation rate is far above national average and consistent for buy and hold. Especially with the microchip plants moving into Central New York State. I'm an organizer for the real estate investors meetup group in this area. https://www.meetup.com/north-country-real-estate-investing-c...

Post: Watertown NY / Fort Drum Buy and Hold

Joseph R. SmithPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Carthage, NY
  • Posts 71
  • Votes 47

Are you still in the Watertown NY area at all? I love the area for appreciation rates of buy and hold. While this is true that NY State is not landlord friendly/2nd behind CA in its laws as being the most tenant friendly, I find it a bit strange agents will often try to talk someone out of property. I agree with you about attempting to rent to military. Fort Drum has its own housing site and I have had some success on there. Throwing this out there as well for all investors in the area to connect and meet up. https://www.meetup.com/north-country-real-estate-investing-c...