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All Forum Posts by: Josef Torkelsen

Josef Torkelsen has started 6 posts and replied 23 times.

@Doug McLeod are any of your rentals multifamily apartments?  I'm in need of property manager to manage my medium size apartment complex and I would love to hear if people are having success with certain companies since yelp and google reviews are mostly paid for reviews I'm finding.

@Neda Navidnia I am having a challenge with finding good multifamily apartment property managers.  Do you or any of your clients have a recommendation on which company to use so I can reach out to them?  For single families, I've heard a lot of great things about Empire, but they don't manage multi-families.  Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Post: Newbie from Orange County, CA

Josef TorkelsenPosted
  • Aliso Viejo, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 14

@Kevin P. Welcome to the BP Community! My wife and I live in your neck of the woods, Aliso Viejo. Perhaps I'll see you at the meetup. I'd love to share our experiences and lessons learned. Are you interested in properties in the area or out of state? If out of state, we own around 50 units in 3 states (Kansas City, Houston, and Charlotte) and I'll share our experience and teams there (we have both lessons learned and good experiences). If local, my wife would be happy to look out for deals for you since she has access to Pocket Listings and MLS.

Post: New member from Corona, CA

Josef TorkelsenPosted
  • Aliso Viejo, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 14

@Jessica Farr welcome to the BP community!  I live in Aliso Viejo and work in Pomona.  If you need any help or advice with investing outside of California especially in Kansas City, Charlotte, or Houston, I have teams set up in each city that I can share.  Granted, you probably should invest in your backyard especially because it sounds like your other rentals are in the area.  My wife Becky Lu is a local real estate agent as well and can help you look for good real estate investments if you want to PM me.

@Carlos Webel who did you end up using for your property management needs and how were they?  Also, what is the make-up of your properties that they are managing (e.g.; single family home versus multi-family)?

I have over 45 units now and every time a vacancy comes up, the property managers want to repaint the entire unit even though 99% of the paint looks great in a lot of cases.  This is obviously eating into cash flow!  

They tell me that touching up paint doesn't work because paint matching never works and even if you have the same exact paint brand and color, it won't look the same.  

What's your experience... do you typically touch up paint?  Do you have success with paint matching and any lessons learned in this area?  #askbp  Appreciate your help!  Losing 3 months rent due to repainting is not something I'm a fan of.

Post: Bank Operating Account

Josef TorkelsenPosted
  • Aliso Viejo, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 14

How do you guys recommend setting up property operating accounts (e.g.; checking) for multi-family apartments?  Do you have an operating checking account for each property? One account for all your properties? #AskBP

Post: This might sound a little crazy…

Josef TorkelsenPosted
  • Aliso Viejo, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 14

I was hating my job, the long commute, the stifling manager, the boring day-to-day routine…and everything. I told my husband I want to do something just for myself, for us, for our future. In late November, I told him “Let’s do real estate and buy something! The market has gone up for 5 straight year and we need to find another place to put our money in.” Surprisingly, he said yes. And then our real estate adventure unfolded.

I quit my job in January and signed up on redfin and Loopnet while Joe still kept his job. We started looking for deals, first the single family houses and then multifamily. 3 months later, we now own 2 properties in two different states for a total of 45 units. The only experience we had was our primary personal residence we bought 3 years ago.

During these past 3 months, we did our due diligence and studied up all the terminologies to sound smart and professional when we phoned realtors. We emailed and called the real estate agents on redfin and loopnet. Out of our surprise, not everyone got back to us or even cared to follow up. We had good a credit score and had the down-payment ready to buy any decent property (outside California). We finally got in touch with our Houston realtor. He replied back with bunch of information and judging from his experiences in commercial apartments, we decided to use him in Houston and signed the agreement to only work with him. After talking and working with different real estate professionals, we learned that although analysis paralysis is not good, jumping into real estate with 2 feet before you know enough about the basics is also dangerous. We found a couple real estate agents that did not have our best interest in mind and by knowing enough before-hand, we were able to protect ourselves and have confidence in our approach and plan.

After we had the first property under contract, Joe started his search for our next property. And soon enough we found it and not a second of hesitation, we put an offer on it. We low-balled it and got a counter offer but luckily we countered back and got a pretty good price at the end. Having 2 properties under contract was a bit overwhelming to start with. But with a lot of research on BiggerPocket and YouTube, there was nothing we couldn’t conquer.

On 4/6/15, we now own both the apartment complexes.  We had just went from 0 to 45 units in 3 short months.  A couple things that we learned and that helped us.

For one, we wrote up a good personal & property statement that helped to procure our loans. This was pivotal in us securing the loans with no experience and being an out of state investor.  This statement not only talked about us and our “experience”, but also detailed the property and what we planned to do with it, the financial numbers, and a little about the overall trend of the area in general.  This made loan companies almost excited to finance us.

Secondly, one lessons learned is that you should always look for others’ opinions before doing something totally new to you. We didn’t initially do the due diligence to get an insurance quote. At first we couldn’t even get close to seller insurance quotes on either property and this is with going to about 3 different insurance brokers on each property.  It wasn’t until we searched in desperation on BiggerPockets and found some references.  This 5 minute search on the forums ended up saving us about $10,000 overall.  We learned that BP is a key resource that we wished we had found sooner.

Thanks for all your support and we look forward to keeping you updated on the status of the apartments, sharing our experience (and lessons learned), and with getting to know each one of you on BiggerPockets.  One is middle income, move in ready, and in a smaller town and one is lower income, with lots of deferred maintenance, and in a large city.

Post: Property Management - Houston area

Josef TorkelsenPosted
  • Aliso Viejo, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 14
How did CKR Property Management work out for you? I am having trouble finding good multi-family property managers. 

Originally posted by @Chris Bounds:

@Eric Benzenhoefer

I hired CKR Property Management last week. They were a referral from Empire for MF properties. It was about 10% GOI for myproperty

Post: Tax on home versus rental

Josef TorkelsenPosted
  • Aliso Viejo, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 14

Appreciate everyone taking the time to respond to the initial post. I wanted to give a little more context in case it changes what people are thinking about the situation. I've also tried to do a little more research as well.

We currently own a single family residence in California and are thinking about renting it out for about breakeven and then save money by moving into someone else's smaller/cheaper rental to save about $1200 a month. We do foresee moving back into the property at some future point and living in it for at least 2 years so the tax benefit of selling it now to shield the gains is not a concern for us.

We am concerned that because of our AGI and correspondingly high tax rate, that we will lose our homeowner's mortgage interest deduction which offsets our active income currently. Although making the property a rental property will technically allow us to write off even more of our expenses, unless one of us is a real estate professional, the best I believe we can do is to defer our losses to future years. If I understand this correctly, then it would be more harmful for us to perform the above strategy due to the negative tax implications. Secondly, if one of us is a real estate professional (which my wife is considering doing), then it would be beneficial to perform the above. Any thoughts on this? Do I understand the implications correctly?

Details in case it gives more context:

  • Home purchase price: $510,000
  • Fair market value as of today: $675,000
  • Currently have a 30 year mortage at 3.25% interest rate.
  • Owe about $440,000 on the loan.
  • Mortgage ~$2350 which includes taxes and insurance.
  • Rent ~$2650 - 2750
  • Currently AGI ~$180,000
  • Foresee active income going down significantly in about 2 years
  • Typically itemize deductions because of mortgage interest
  • Currently buying two small apartment buildings out of state as well (29 unit and 16 unit) for about a $40,000 cash flow a year