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All Forum Posts by: Jordan Batchelor

Jordan Batchelor has started 7 posts and replied 36 times.

Gotcha.

I agree with what someone mentioned above about finding a month to month room for rent initially when you arrive. You'll get a feel for the city and make it easier to find a more permanent place. furnished finders is a good one to find furnished rooms for rent and the typical lease is 3-6 months. It can be pricey, but it can be a good temporary move.

also, congrats on the job. What type of work will you be doing?   

Hey Tomas, I’m curious how have you rented places in the past? Recalling on what May have worked for you previously might help you in your current situation.

Quote from @Dan H.:

>It needs more work then the other, so my plan is to do that while I live in it.  They have been there for over a year and it ends in April. Is it just cause to terminate their lease or will they be able to dispute it?

To more in yourself or close family is one of the legal reasons for no-fault lease termination.  As long as you move in for more than a token amount of time (usually considered to be a year), there should be zero issue.  In addition, if you are rehabbing the unit (which is what you indicate), a rehab extensive enough that it cannot be reasonable occupied by the tenant is another legal reason for a no fault lease termination.  So you have 2 valid reasons for a no fault lease termination.  The no fault lease termination does require you to pay the tenant one month rent.  Pay this after they have vacated the unit (by law you can forgive the last month's rent but doing so places you further in the rear if the tenant does not move out).

>the studio is far below market rent and the rental cap of 9.1% increase still lands it below market rent. I have read that if you owner occupy a duplex, rent caps do not apply. Does that sound correct?

You are mostly correct but missing one critical component. The owner must have occupied before the tenant. So the existing tenants are covered by AB1482 (rent control), but tenants that occupy after you owner occupy will not be rent controlled. However, once the ADU is 15 years old, the property from a AB1482 perspective is a triplex. At that time all tenants will be covered by AB1482 and have rent control.

Hopefully I covered all conditions from current to future.

Good luck


 Dan, you are always a wealth of knowledge.
Thank you for your response. 

Attention California investors

I have a hypothetical situation that I'm thinking through if it comes up.

Purchasing a duplex with an ADU (three total units) and there are tenants living in two of the units.

I plan to owner occupy the property.

Property make up is 

2/1, 2/1, and studio.

The lease ends for one of the 2/1’s and Id like to move into that unit once their lease is up. It needs more work then the other, so my plan is to do that while I live in it. They have been there for over a year and it ends in April. Is it just cause to  terminate their lease or will they be able to dispute it?

Secondly, the studio is far below market rent and the rental cap of 9.1% increase still lands it below market rent. I have read that if you owner occupy a duplex, rent caps do not apply. Does that sound correct? 

Any and all perspectives are welcome :)

Post: Housing hacking partnership

Jordan BatchelorPosted
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Sarita Scherpereel:

Hi @Jordan Batchelor This seems really complicated. I wouldn't do it on a house hack. Maybe if the intent of living together was better defined I could understand this. I would wait until I had enough for FHA or some other low down payment program before buying with a partner on a house hack.

Hey thanks for your insight. I really enjoy getting both sides of the coin from like minded people. 

It would definitely be a unique type of partnership that would be difficult to find the right person/persons, but it could be advantageous.

Post: Housing hacking partnership

Jordan BatchelorPosted
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Ramandeep Sidhu:

Partnering with someone to house hack in a lower price point market can be a good way to invest in real estate without having to put a large down payment. Here are a few things to consider:

  1. Choose your partner wisely. It's important to choose a partner that you trust and are comfortable working with. Consider their financial stability, experience level, and long-term goals to make sure they are a good fit.
  2. Set clear terms. Be sure to put the terms of the partnership in writing, including how profits will be distributed, how decisions will be made, and what will happen if one party wants to exit the partnership.
  3. Communicate openly. Good communication is key to any successful partnership. Make sure to keep each other informed about the progress of the project and address any issues that arise in a timely manner.
  4. Manage risk. Investing in real estate carries inherent risks, so it's important to carefully assess the risks involved in the project and have a plan in place to mitigate them.

Overall, partnering with someone to house hack can be a good way to invest in real estate without a large down payment, but it's important to choose your partner wisely, set clear terms, and manage risk. Good luck!

Thank you for your detailed response. You hit the main points to look into. 

Post: Housing hacking partnership

Jordan BatchelorPosted
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Jordan Batchelor

one of the main issues though is... who owns the properties?  if i were the house hacker i'd want to own it... so then you are just loaning money.  and if they don't own it... the owner is not living there.

that's the issue.


 Hey Nicholas, great viewpoint. 

The way I'd structure it in this hypothetical scenario would be 50/50 after capital is returned to me upon exit or some other type of structure. It really would depend on the deal. So, the house hacker would be a co-owner/borrower and would fulfill the residency requirement.

Post: Housing hacking partnership

Jordan BatchelorPosted
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Nicholas Coulter:

@Jordan Batchelor I would look into the local HH in SD. Take advantage of the new permits coming out in the STR world and do a hybrid of HH with STR. My wife and I are doing that in North park with some great numbers so far. Let me know if you want to connect more on it.


 That is great that you got a good deal in North park. I love that area. I'm currently looking for another house hack in SD now that I've met the primary residence time length requirement at my current place.

Post: Housing hacking partnership

Jordan BatchelorPosted
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Matthew Hoffman:

Can anyone help me understand the residence requirement and what kind of loan it's tied to? I'm sure someone has written about this on the forums. I'm looking at a 3plex in my area and am wondering what I'd technically need to do to meet the residence requirement, as well as whether there are any tips re how to manage those.

I'm sure folks have written about this stuff before, but I'm relatively new here and hoping someone can point me in the right direction!


Hey Matthew, I'm not a lender but I've read into this a bit. From what I've learned, residency requirements are for primary residence loans (conventional and FHA). People use conventional loans for non-primary residence properties but are required to put down 20-25% and have higher interest rates. Primary residence loans can get you 3-5% down and lower interest rates (with PMI). To meet the requirements you usually sign a paper saying you intend to occupy the property within 60 days of purchase and at least 12 months. The key is intend. If you are in the position to move locations (I'm talking hours away from your initial purchase) because of life circumstances like job changes, family, or something else along those lines then it's no biggie. What you cannot do is buy a place as a primary residence, then go buy another place 10 minutes away in 6 months. With that being said, I have heard that you can do it under the 12-month mark if life circumstances change. For example, If you bought a triplex made up of all 1bed/1bath's then in the next month or so you get married and your spouse is pregnant, you might be able to show that you need a bigger space to live in and be approved to buy another property within your area.

Post: Housing hacking partnership

Jordan BatchelorPosted
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

@Jordan Batchelor interesting idea. I wonder how it would play out with lending and legal structures. I know people who house hack together on a shared property and both live there and rent other units. Spitballing some thoughts here:

1. It sounds like you are thinking about co-singing with house hackers who can't qualify on their own. Your cosigning or helping with the downpayment would be the only value I could see you adding (besides expertise and mentorship). I like the thought. You'd want to really trust and believe in the house hacker as you are tying up your credit worthiness with them. 

2. If you were a lender for the downpayment as a way to get into a house hack - then you are essentially just doing private lending. And that could help some people get into house hacks, but seems like a high risk to you, so you'd probably want to charge a decent rate to lend. Lenders lending the 95% on the house hack are probably going to want to see that downpayment loan as a "gift" so you'll have to give it a couple months ahead of time. Then work out some off the books lending terms with the buyer. Again more risk. 


I probably have buyers that would consider that co-signing option from you.


Hey thanks for spit balling.

Yes, the value I'd be able to bring is the down payment and a great candidate for what lenders are looking for. The toughest part would be vetting possible partners before moving forward. The ideal person that makes sense to me is someone early in their career that has room to grow in their industry. They might be strapped to student debt or have not had the time to accumulate money for a down payment but are like-minded and have the flexibility to house hack. The partner would be able to get into a property with no money, and I'd get into something with low money down relative to a traditional rental. Yes, we would split profits, but 50% of a deal is better than no deal if it was purchased correctly.

The other school of thought you mentioned was private lending. I had thought of that too, but I'm not as keen on that because I think the risk premium isn't there. It would need to be a pretty outrageous interest rate for it to be worth it for me, I doubt anyone would go for it.