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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan V.

Jonathan V. has started 9 posts and replied 57 times.

Post: Describe Your Best MH Deal!

Jonathan V.Posted
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I'd like to hear the stories behind these deals, as in, how did you find the seller, did they haggle, how you found the buyer, etc.

Originally posted by Jeff And Cheray Warner:
DEAL DONE, $$ IN THE BANK!! PRAISE THE LORD!

I closed this deal yesterday morning for $2500.00. I gotta run right now but I'll post an update later. Thank you all for your help and support.

Jeff

Woooooooo Hooo!! Luck of the Irish!

I'm setting up my company as an LLC. Quick, cheap, and easy. At least in my state.

Personal preference on the check issue.

Originally posted by Marilyn A.:
Jonathan,
I'm surprised you've been able to do as much as you have with it being tax season. I worked for a CPA firm for years, so know how it is.
Even though you didn'f find something good this trip, you still accomplished a lot and made some contacts, so that's good.
Your post gave me a brainstorm! Everyone but me has probably already thought about this, but it hadn't occurred to me.
I see lots of homes in the price range I want that have to be moved, but with the cost to move them being around $1500 and up, there's just no way to make them work for me right now. But If I could find a park that will pay to move them in, they would be practical to buy. Plus, the sellers might be more motivated, since they need the home moved off their lot.
So thanks for your post!


No problem, I'm a hard worker, however I don't really consider this work. I really enjoy it all.

Your idea on moving homes is great, as long as you can take the added pressure. A lot of people say not to mess w/ moving a mobile on your first one. I agree w/ what they say as it seems like a tough way to move into the business. However, if you can get in a relationship with a park manager as I have, that may be a great out.

In addition, you can use that as an excuse for why you can't pay much for the home. Who knows, you may get it for free ;-).

Best of luck,
JV

Went through some parks a couple of nights ago with my wife. Was very interesting seeing the different levels of parks in my area. First park has about 35 lots, and 7 homes for sale, all cash. But the park is owned by a broker, so he wants waaaay too much for the homes. The good thing about that park is that it's right next to the community baseball park, a lake, and a walking trail, there were probably about fifty people walking around or fishing, great area. There was a lot of deferred maintenance in the park, crappy skirting on most of the homes. Small lots, but not a bad area to live in.

We then went to a couple real clunker parks with about 20 lots, that honestly I'm not interested in, as they are out of the way and very ran down. (Some homes had burnt halfway down and were not moved)

Next, we went to a park that was awesome! Small area with a lot of homes, but all the homes were kept very well, people hanging out talking in lawn chairs. Really great area. Definitely going to visit the park manager after tax season. (Remember I'm a CPA so not much time during business hours to go visit pm's)

Pass a couple clunker parks again, then we went to dinner and came to the last park. This is one of the few parks that I had talked to before that is going to be more than happy to work with me.

The park manager hasn't called me about any homes for sale, but we spotted a for sale sign, and a few what looked to be abandoned homes, there was a mustard colored mobile home on a corner lot that looked great and was for sale. It was late and the lights were on, so we didn't want to scare anyone by getting out to see the # on the signs. I check mobile home sales everyday in our area, these are not listed anywhere!

Anyways, that last park is amazing, some of the homes and porches were stunning to say the least. About 3-400 homes in the park, so it's huge.

So the next day I call the park manager, and tell her I'm still interested in working in her park. This is about the 3rd or 4th time I've spoke with her in the last 6 months. I ask her if she has any homes for sale, and she says they have three that they've repossessed from evictions or abandonment, and are currently rehabbing. Then asks the price I'm willing to pay, I say, "It depends, but typically around 3-5k." She flat out tells me that they never have homes that are that cheap. She says that she has 2-3 brokers that work with her as well that bring in homes to put in the park, and they pay for them to move the home, or give them 6 months free lot rent. I ask her about the mustard colored house I saw, and she says, "Oh that one is for sale by owner, we don't buy from individuals if we don't have to." So, I still have an avenue to get into the park at least! I thank her and tell her I'm going to come and meet her as soon as tax season is over, she seems genuinely happy about that.

So we go back out there last night while it's still light out, find the for sale by owner sign on the mustard house, and actually find two more for sale by owner signs.

First house (mustard one), I call, owner says it's already sold.

Second house, no answer.

Third house, this one had a sign on it w/ a price saying $24,900. 4 bed/2 ba. I figured I'd no chance in hell, but might as well try. It looked empty.

Turns out it was one of the broker's homes. And he, the entire time, is pretty much trying to bluff me. After I say that I work for a small finance company, he quietly says, "Oh so your an investor too" and then immediately pretends like he didn't say that. I told him what I'm doing, trying to help people out by financing to worthy people, etc etc. Helping people sell there homes quickly etc etc. He tries to convince me it is his home, etc. I keep talking to him, picking his brain, and I already told him my price range. He says, you won't ever find a deal for that cheap unless your really lucky. I told him about me financing for people and he says that for the home I'm calling about, he would finance for 10k down, because that is what he has in the home. Now this is a 2004 16x80 4 bed, 2 ba, with, according to him, brand new carpet, AC, and appliances.

How the hell does he only have 10k into a home w/ all that additional stuff, and NOT get a deal around the price range I was talking about? LOL, well anyways. He talks some more random gibberish and I thank him and be cordial and everything and hang up, he says he'll call if he finds anything that might help me out for that price range. Which, again, doesn't make sense, I know exactly what he's going to do, he's going to find someone to sell for 1k and try to flip it to me for 4k. Again, not making any sense because if there were no 4k deals, he wouldn't have told me he'd help me find a deal. He also says he has his own crew of contractors to do work on the homes.

By the way, I'm a former semi-pro poker player, so I'm pretty decent at telling when someone is lying/stretching the truth to me.

So, no leads yet on good sales. I feel like the best avenue for me is to scout parks, find my target markets, and post a lot of "SELL your home FAST" signs, so that I can hopefully get the people who are thinking of abandoning their homes to sell the home quickly to me.

So of the 13 homes I knew of for sale, 8 were from a broker/owner of park, 3 were from the owner of a park, 1 was sold, and 1 hasn't called back. (which probably means they aren't desperate)

Post: Advice please...

Jonathan V.Posted
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  • Votes 9

If you have the time, and can talk the park manager to letting you have free park rent until you find a buyer, sure, go ahead.

The main thing is going to be time though, they will probably sink a bunch of yours.

Post: Buying MH on terms

Jonathan V.Posted
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Originally posted by Marilyn A.:
Thank you for the replies. I'm in Texas.
It seems that sellers would be reluctant to hand over the title or a power of attorney without having all the money. How do you get them to do it?


I'm not sure how he does that either. Your banking on extremely desperate sellers to get this to work, pretty much the only way it can.

Best way to track market value would probably talk to the park managers, they could tell you what homes have sold for in the past.

Or keep your eyes open on what people are selling for, and when they are no longer listed, assume that they were probably sold. If you see someone w/ a high price listed for a long time, that price is too high for that home. If you see a person list for a low price, and it's gone the next day, that price is too low. (unless your aim is to liquidate quickly)

Generally speaking, the best way to structure is to get your money back within 6-10 months, ASAP. So if you pay $4,000. Try to get $1,000 down and $300/mo for ten months. Then decide how much you want to make off the home past that. (I.e. if you want just $4000 more than what you paid, make the term 24 months).

If your selling on terms, another good way would be to look for rental prices in the area. For example you have a 3/2 16 x 70. Look around for rental rates for a 3/2 home or apartment that is in the area. If a comparable price is $700 for that 3/2 brick home rented. Make your payments $700/mo. (Don't forget lot rent and insurance as well)

So with that example, and a $300/mo lot rent + $75 insurance. You sell for $325/mo for however long you want.

Those are just some ideas. GL.

Post: Buying MH on terms

Jonathan V.Posted
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You take the title free and clear and hope that the seller trusts you enough.

When you sell it, you put their name on the title, put yours as a lien, but you hold it.

Post: delinquent tax sales and mobile homes

Jonathan V.Posted
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Not sure if this is the best place for this question, but:

If a mobile home lot with a mobile home attached to the land is put up for auction, what are you bidding on? Only the land or the mobile as well?

For instance, when I look up what is being sold on the local county assessor's website, they show the land AND the mobile included in the parcel. But what if the owner of the mobile home isn't the same person as the owner of the land? It's very common for mobile home owners to rent from the land owners, paying "lot rent". So it's plausible that the mobile home owner isn't even aware of the delinquent tax issue.

How would I go about doing due diligence on a piece of property like this? Would I have to evict the owner of the mobile home in order to get them off the property if they aren't willing to pay the lot rent that I dictate?

Also, I'm in Arkansas, we have zero redemption period, the title is yours at the auction after a successful bid.

Edit: I may have misspoke when I said "title" at closing, I'm meaning "deed".

Info on AR's delinquent tax sales:

http://www.cosl.org/buyer.htm