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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Li

Jonathan Li has started 2 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: 9 House Package in Kansas City

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@Tesho Akindele great job and deal - best wishes to you and your dad’s success!

Do you mind sharing what bank you are using in a private message with me?

Post: Property Managers in or Near Warrensburg, Missouri

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@Kenny Robbins Hi Kenny, did you end up moving forward on your deal in Warrensburg? If so, how is it going?

Post: My BP Intro: Only up from here!

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@Curtis Linville 

It's been great pleasure connecting with you - keep the momentum up and keep taking action. Everything is an 'e-myth' until you get your feet wet, learn, and grow. Real problems lead to growth, improvement, and success. 

The lender or banker is your next team member after the realtor, I often ask the realtor to recommend a good banker that they trust and work well with. That way, there is already a pre-established relationship between the realtor and banker who will help you get to the finish-line more efficiently as you get through your first deal. If you are care enough, you'll do what it takes to take action, even if that means making calls to bankers during your lunch break! 

Best, 

Jon Li 

Post: Turn-key Tenanted Duplex

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Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment.

Turn-key Tenanted Duplex built in 2005 with recent renovations in 2013.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Low risk, limited work that needed to get done, cash flowed from day 1.

How did you finance this deal?

Convention loan, 25% down.

How did you add value to the deal?

Updated flooring on one of the units.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

This was my first property purchased, the challenge was to get started and to not wait too long to look for the perfect deal.

Post: I'm at 11 units, now what? Thoughts welcomed on what to do NEXT

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Originally posted by @David Friedman:

Congratulations on your purchases and quick transition to becoming a real estate investor!

Once you get past your 4th loan, most lenders expect you to put 20%+ down with a conventional loan. You could get creative and purchase a few deals where the seller carries back a loan, but those deals don't always come up often.

Once you get to the 10 loan limit, there are a few options that I see.

1. Refinance all of the properties into a portfolio loan with a commercial lender. Now you're back down to one loan.

2. Sell your lowest performing properties and start to buy properties with more units on one lot (The economies of scale will start to kick in when reducing your water bill $50 per unit on a 10 unit property produces an extra $500 per month in cash flow).

 Thanks David. Regarding (1), what rates and terms do you recommend with such a portfolio loan for me to reach my goals? Regarding (2), great advice, I may give this more thought. The magic of economies of scale!

Post: I'm at 11 units, now what? Thoughts welcomed on what to do NEXT

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Originally posted by @Richard Sherman:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Li:

@Account Closed I had a lot of cash or liquid equities on hand - the rapid fire purchases were a reflection of a solid team (realtor, lender, inspector, etc.) and also a reflection of my eagerness to achieve my goals. 

  Lots of good advice and you are taking it well.

Jerry is right you can not do  a1031 until you have had the property more than 1 year with VERY few exceptions....like none that I know of but I am not an expert (I have done 3 or 4  1031s though.)

I would say keep making offers and looking for properties but be more selective, write lower offers, try to get more value-add which gives more meat on the bone.

 Thank you kindly, Richard - that is exactly what I will be doing in the near future. My last purchase of a duplex, the listing was stagnant at $135k, slowly decreased to $125k. I did my due diligence, and after negotiations back and forth, settled at $101k. Very happy my negotiation skills and improvement of firmness (because of the I don't need it that badly type of mentality). 

Post: I'm at 11 units, now what? Thoughts welcomed on what to do NEXT

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@Account Closed I had a lot of cash or liquid equities on hand - the rapid fire purchases were a reflection of a solid team (realtor, lender, inspector, etc.) and also a reflection of my eagerness to achieve my goals. 

Post: Need Property Manager in Kansas City, Missouri

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@Mike McKinzie Hi! Just checking in and wondering how things are going in Belton, MO. Good tenants and neighborhood? Found a good PM?

Post: I'm at 11 units, now what? Thoughts welcomed on what to do NEXT

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Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

Wow, the whole duplex turnkey for 35-40K. That's pretty nice. How are you getting your mortgages, since a lot of bankers won't touch anything under 50K?

 Apologies, I meant $35-40K for the down payment (including closing costs); purchase price is $130-150K. Conventional 25% down mortgages on all purchases, that is why I am taking second thoughts on continuing to pour so much cash into such deals. Looking for alternatives and next steps to scale! Researching the possibility of 1031 exchanges and scaling larger may be worthwhile... 

Post: I'm at 11 units, now what? Thoughts welcomed on what to do NEXT

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Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

Are you buying in areas where properties are appreciating rapidly? 

If you expect 50 units to bring you 9K per month, that means that you're basing that on present holdings, which works out to be $ 180/month positive cash flow per unit - or $ 360/duplex.

Let's say you pay 100K for a turnkey duplex, that would bring your downpayment to 25K per duplex. Add closing cost, each duplex costs you about 30K cash. And your annual return is $ 4320 ($ 360 x 12) or about 15%. 

But that does not take into consideration any kind of repairs at all, which will happen, like it or not.

Only you can decide, whether these are the best deals to buy for your money.

What are you paying for your turnkey duplexes? That would give more exact numbers. The more you're paying, the lower your ROI goes.

 Hi Michaela, appreciation would probably be at a rate of 1.5-2%/annum.. I don't value appreciation to heart, but rather the sustainability/demand of the rental market and what I can get in rents versus my overall outgoing costs. $180/mo/unit in cash flow is conservative, I am seeing more like $200-$225/mo/unit after setting aside money for repairs/capex/vacancy/pm (paying myself for pm). A typical duplex with these returns cost about $35-40K after closing costs.