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All Forum Posts by: Jon Martin

Jon Martin has started 30 posts and replied 931 times.

All good feedback, thank you all!


I might try the “emergency service” which is $20 with limited data and just use that for the smart locks and ring cameras. That way there is a temporary backup if the broadband goes down. 

Thinking of switching to 5G routers instead of broadband. The data plans are reasonable ($50/month) and the service seems like it would be more reliable through storms and outages. 

Any drawbacks I’m not considering? I would still need to subscribe to a streaming service for cable tv, so cost savings wouldnt be much (or a wash), but otherwise it seems like it might be a viable alternative?

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Thanks for the vote!

Also, I had cabinets full of glasses cups silverware and knives..Not anymore.  Need to buy all again.

Had stocked packed linen closet but not anymore..need to stock again. 

Because I rent 4 bedrooms house, it's more conducive to large gatherings and parties.

Another issue and please tell me if this is normal that when people book for 5 people they usually have at least 10 or 15 additional guests. 

Which results in more wear and tear and cleaning. 

Thus, I'm not seeking 100 occupancy.

Staci 


 If guests take that much, I would 100% be asking for reimbursement through Airbnb. You'll need documentation of the cost to replace, hopefully, pictures from your cleaning team before their arrival, an owner's closet with lock for supplies, and limit the number of supplies you provide to a determined number. You need your house rules to say no more than XYZ people, and no guests count over the number in the listing between 10:00 PM-6:00am or something similar. A ring camera will give you the evidence you need to stop a potential party or when people bring in too many guests over night. It can be a normal problem but you can prevent it with some certain measures. Airbnb will send you a free Minut noise monitoring system (they did before) that can help monitor noise and parties as well. 


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I would add that your rates are too low if you are attracting these types of guests. Raise your prices. 

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@Collin Hays

@Jon Martin

i agree that tax considerations shouldn't, by themselves, drive business strategy.  but with that said, it seems like you're assuming OP will be able to have a high performing / top performing STR (which i think we would all agree would beat unleveraged market returns.) and maybe he will. but isn't that worth interrogating a little bit?

@Nicholas L. yes absolutely, everyone should do their own DD. I am comfortable saying this because I have seen it work and replicated it. I even kept the cash flow number conservative and the math still works, $1K/month on a $400K property is good but not a home run by any means. Caveat is that you should be reinvesting those profits back into other smart investments so that you aren't missing out on compounding gains. 

Paying taxes on early withdrawal is not much different than taxes on any other income. All are profits/income tand you are still coming out ahead, even if you have to pay taxes on them. 

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@Jon Martin

Are you investing in your hometown/state or OOS?  Are these Class C zip codes?  You are talking 2% rule!  Care to share more?  Thanks.   


Out of state, southeast and midwest college/mid-sized towns. High bedroom counts to attract guests for weddings, families etc. Mostly class B because the purchase price is accessible and still profitable. 

Hi @Kevin S. yes you absolutely can. I picked up a home for $422k that does $8k+month in revenue, some months well over. After all expenses paid the profits are closer to $2k at $8k/month revenue. 5+ bedroom homes in mid-sized cities is my strategy. 

The math I posted above get's a lot more impressive if you can push $2k+ cash flow. 

I'm surprised to see so many posts favoring blinds over curtains. Most blinds are tough and time consuming to clean, prone to breakage/creases, strings break and get stained etc.  Whereas curtains you can easily throw in the washing machine. Not to mention the cost. 

Am I missing something? I thought that curtains over blinds was something that a lot of the STR gurus pushed.

Definitely do blackout curtains in the bedrooms. Not sure which color though 

Post: The Next Deal...

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@Jeremy H.there is no need to self manage for the passive investor looking for a fixed NNN return in the 15%+ range.

Smart business owners and retirees looking to diversify their investment portfolio are not looking to run a hospitality business.  Turning over management via a triple net lease is a great way to lock in superior cash flow thru a 15%+ long term lease.

Self managing is easy money with tech and systems. I do relatively well in my day job by today's standards but my hourly rate for self managing is closer to that of a surgeon. 

I have partnerships where I take a management fee off of topline and split profits from bottom line. Partners are happy because I don't charge an exorbitant fee and do a much better job. If I scale to a point where I no longer have time and have to outsource, that line item is already accounted for and the property will still be profitable. 


 It sounds like you are running a small management company for STRs? Is that somewhat accurate? 

Can you explain your partnership? Trying to figure if the partner is the STR owner or another management company that facilitates things through you.

I like it though. I think if you have a little extra time, operating a smaller STR business can pick up some good income. And you can provide a good value by charging a lot less than the big operators. I know of a few in the PCB Florida area

Pretty basic, and I am small scale. I take a percent off of total top line (including cleaning fees) that is 5-10% less than what a local "hands on" operator would charge. I am managing remotely so I am not much different than Evolve, so I don't feel I can justify 25% like a local operator would, but I do care a whole lot more! Then split bottom line 50/50 with the partner (individual) after all other expenses are paid. Went in 50/50 with partner for all upfront cash expenses. 

Currently finalizing a deal for another property with a different individual investor where we will have the same payout model, but they will put up a bit more cash to cover all the admin work I have to do to set things up. 

Works great because I get guaranteed revenue either way and the partners are happy to be silent investors who get a check every month. 

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@Kathie Mata well obviously we don't agree.   If you make it clear upfront, it is between you and the tenant and goes in the lease.  I have two properties where I ran into this issue. One the ice maker is not advisable. It freezes constantly.  It is a perfectly good fridge, tenants don't care. When it dies I won't replace it with an ice maker but they were over the moon to get the rental and this is the second set of tenants that said we don't care about the ice maker. First set stayed 7 years. I have a second condo property where the water quality became unacceptable (PFAS) so I put a filter on the sink and make people aware the fridge water no longer works. They generally don't care.  All your properties may be perfect but if you are transparent about why something is not in service, it makes sense, and they agree it works just fine for long-term rentals. That said I would spring for the connection if that was the only issue.  


Agreed- with a long term rental you can be very clear and upfront about all the nuances/quirks of the property and what is included because the transaction has far more direct communication. Whereas with an STR, even with clear english detailing any issues up front, is often booked on a whim with an overload of information digested in a short period of time. Which does not give the renter a pass for paying attention, although that is often the context of the transaction from the guest end.

Not to mention that in many states, appliances are not even required to be provided by the landlord. As with an STR, so long as you set and document clear expections, it is on the guest or tenant to proceed accordingly.