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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Hasan

Jonathan Hasan has started 6 posts and replied 57 times.

Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

@Jonathan Hasan Wholesaling as it is commonly practiced and promoted is done without a real estate license, in spite of the fact that almost every state has language that defines real estate brokering as something to the effect of doing any of the following:  offering to sell, rent, lease, exchange, transfer ownership of a property for another party in expectation of anything of benefit. 

In other words, marketing a property that you don't already own.  If your name isn't on the deed, you cannot market it.

The seller benefits most when they put their home on the open market with a licensed real estate agent.  That's because:

1. The agent is subject to a strict NAR Code of Ethics if they're a Realtor (member of NAR).

2. Even if not a NAR member, much of that CoE is replicated in state laws that are designed to protect the consumer.

State real estate commissions, Attorneys General and local Realtor boards can and do enforce discipline on agents who violate regulations.  Discipline can include monetary fines (sometimes VERY large fines, especially for Fair Housing violations), license suspension and outright license revocation.

3. The agent is a fiduciary to the seller.  That means that they are required by both law and ethics to put the seller's interests first.  Wholesalers have no such obligation.

4. In addition to other marketing channels like social media and PPC, licensed agents market homes on MLS, which reaches tens of millions of people. Wholesalers have perhaps a few dozen investors in their database. The licensed agent probably has a 200,000:1 advantage in the number of people he can reach.

Which do you suppose has the best chance of reaching the one person who will pay the highest price with the best possible terms?

5. In order to make money, the wholesaler has to get the property under contract for less than market value. 

Let's say a property has a true market value of $100,000.  The wholesaler probably wants to make $10,000, but needs to sell the contract to an investor.  That investor also wants to pay less than market value - let's assume their target is 25% below market.  That means that the investor will pay $75,000 and the seller actually gets $65,000.

Compare that to the same sale with a Realtor.  We sell it at $100,000 and charge a commission of approximately 5%.  In this case, the seller receives $95,000 vs the $65,000 he would get from the wholesaler.

The key point is that the wholesaler must, by definition, pay less than market value.  The difference comes straight out of the seller's pocket and goes into the wholesaler's.  

Finally, how does that wholesaler get a $100,000 house for $65,000?  He does it by finding sellers who are ignorant of the true market value, easily manipulated, gullible and/or desperate to sell to get out of a bad life situation.  And those are the wholesalers that I find despicable.

Charlie,

Thank you for your detailed response. Its nice to be able to hear a critique from a real estate expert. You have given me a lot to think about. I would like to talk to you more at a later time about this topic, if you would be willing. 

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

"Should I tell this potential date I have a raging case of herpes as well as severe intractable dingleberries?" 

Better get it out there upfront, its the right thing to do and they're going to find out eventually. 

Have there been any listing agents who were confused at the mention of wholesale? I have heard that some agents are unaware of what wholesaling is. It seems weird since wholesaling is such a large business. I would just have teach the agent what wholesale is at that point, correct?

Originally posted by @Mike Cumbie:

If its on the MLS its not worth trying to wholesale. No agent will recommend that their seller accepts an "assignable contract"

Thanks for your reply Mike.

If you could, would you be willing to tell me why they would say that? Maybe its obvious to you but I am a beginner in this field.

Thanks in advance

Originally posted by @Joe S.:

@Jonathan Hasan you seem like an ambitious young man. It’s obvious you’re young by your picture and you’re trying real hard. Your ambition is great. I would suggest you learn real estate above and beyond wholesaling. If you learn other aspects of real estate then that’s where the long-term wealth is. There are a lot of people that’s very negative to wholesalers, because of many factors that are too long to describe here. Study real estate figure out a way to keep as many properties as possible. I have a son that I hope to teach real estate to and I have already started and I sure would not want people bullying him on an open forum. If you continue to pursue wholesaling that’s your choice just be sure that you are trying to figure out a way to keep properties, Because that’s where the long-term wealth is.

Hello Joe! Thank you for the kind words!

I am intending on going to fix and flip and then buy and holds. I was just asking this question because I wanted to do full disclosure with listing agents but have heard conflicting advice on whether I should say I am in wholesale.

If i get any vitriol from anyone, that is merely a reflection on them. 

It sounds like your son is in good hands! Teach him the ropes so he can build wealth of his own!

@Steve Morris

Now that I am thinking about it, can I ask you what your personal experience has been with wholesalers?

@Charlie MacPherson

So I see that wholesaling is quite a large topic on bigger pockets. Are you telling me all of those individuals have real estate licenses? Also doesn't the seller potentially derive benefits from a wholesale deal if they cant find anyone to take the properties of their hands?

@Steve Morris

Thanks for your reply!

I am not sure about your points 2 and 3 because I already have some investors on my buyers list that have enough cash to do these sorts of deals. I am not interested in dragging out the timeline of the deal either. I want all parties to benefit.

Hello everyone!

I am a new real estate investor starting out in wholesale. I have been trying to learn more about wholesale and have found out that there are two camps pertaining to this subject.

There are people who believe that wholesalers are a necessary part of the real estate ecosystem while others think wholesaling is an immoral cash grab by opportunists.

I want to be ethical and aboveboard throughout the process of the deal by telling the listing agent I am in wholesale before I start asking questions about the property. However, I am receiving conflicting advice on whether I should even disclose that.

What would the experts on this forum recommend? I dont want to lie but apparently a listing agent might be turned off from discussing the deal with me if i disclose.

Thanks in advance!

Post: Looking for cash buyers in St. Louis area

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I also failed to add that I am primarily focused on residential homes. If you are still interested, Please feel free to contact me!

Post: Looking for cash buyers in St. Louis area

Jonathan HasanPosted
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Hello everyone!

I am a new real estate investor based in Chesterfield, Missouri. I am starting to wholesale deals to investors and am looking for investors who are all cash buyers and primarily in the fix and flip market to work with. 

If interested, please feel free to contact me on bigger pockets! Thanks and have a good rest of your day!