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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Greene

Jonathan Greene has started 267 posts and replied 6423 times.

Post: Why You Should Never Take a Break as a Real Estate Investor

Jonathan Greene
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Taking action isn't only investing in real estate. You should take a break from buying if the deals don't match your buy box, you are out of money, or for several other reasons (partner isn't on board, over-leveraged on different properties, acting out of FOMO, etc.). Still, you should never take a break from looking, touring, vetting, and analyzing. You can't take six months off from reviewing properties and hop back in like nothing happened. Stuff happened.

If I were to sum up the one thing that I think investors aren't doing enough, it would be getting real-life reps. Real-life reps, to me, means seeing properties in person, whatever your asset class. What you see on the spreadsheet is a small part of every story. Boots on the ground, or lack thereof, are where the mistakes are made. Of course, the smaller the property, the more necessary that you see every inch of it because there isn't a business running on top of the land like large-scale multifamily, self-storage, industrial, and more. But even if you want to do large deals, you need comparable reps.

Technology has made it easy to "analyze" deals. Still, if you aren't whittling down the number you are analyzing financially to a small subset you see before deciding what to do, you are missing an essential part of getting to the tipping point of expertise in your field. The most successful investors have looked at thousands of properties in person in their lifetimes. So, even when the market is challenging, you can still see properties and stay current.

Don't take a break when the rates are high. Don't take a break when the weather is terrible. Don't take a break when others are taking a break. Removing all skills from the equation, if you don't take a break from participating as a real estate investor in some way each day, you will stay far ahead of everyone else who keeps subbing themselves out and then asking to get back in when the game is already out of reach.

Post: Real Estate Attorney in New Jersey

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You don't need your real estate attorney to set up LLCs in New Jersey. It takes five minutes on the state site. If you need an operating agreement, that is usually a different attorney (but not always). I've done more than 50 deals with Ashley Molson at Molson Law Firm if you want to look her up.

Post: Are the forums on BiggerPockets getting worse and worse or is it just me?

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Quote from @Alan F.:
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

I find them almost unreadable now. Finding a good post to respond to takes me close to ten minutes. There is so much AI, reverse trolling, and one-line posts that the moderators can't keep up. And I know because I was a moderator for a couple of months, but I quit.

Being a moderator on the site is thankless. There are no benefits, no pay. Whenever you remove a post, you have a 10-20 percent chance that the poster will email you to complain. It's not fun, but it helps the site a lot. However, there aren't enough moderators to do the job against technology and spammers now. This is part of why the forums are pretty vapid, significantly more so than they used to be. When you give the benefit of the doubt to garbage posts, it creates a pile of trash, making it harder to find the collectibles.

The company's target audience is new investors. Old investors like me only invest in the subscription for pro; we don't buy courses or books (actually, I own probably 20 of their books) regularly. So, the focus on new investors creates allowable concessions in favor of new people, but that doesn't improve the forums. "We all had to start somewhere" is true, but the forums used to be more fun when people weren't as fragile as they are now. When you tell someone their strategy isn't brilliant, they melt into an offended state and fry themselves in their forum.

Are the forums here getting worse, or is it just me? Maybe I am just getting too old to wade through AI posts to try to help someone. I can't even look at the Facebook group because it is the forums x 10. I still want to help, but the time to find something interesting is getting too long for me.

Thoughts?


 When you look at forums as a whole, this is still a pretty good one. Theres alot to be learned just reading everyone's posts and weighing out what works best.  Just keep answering questions  :)


There is definitely nothing better, or even close out there, that's why I think the technology drag isn't emphasized. The resources are endless here, but at some point, the messier it gets, the less seasoned investors are going to spend the time. But I may just need a break because as others who have been here for 10+ years with me, these cycles have happened before.

Post: Are the forums on BiggerPockets getting worse and worse or is it just me?

Jonathan Greene
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Quote from @V.G Jason:


This is just that period of time in the investing cycle. When that changes, I'm sure you'll see "better" posts.

Right now, there's more talk about investing than actually investing. For that, you'll see a natural quality decline.

But, yes, AI posts are awful. Those posts are like the automated dialers, but in poster form.


This is it exactly - there's more talk about investing than actually investing. That's why so much talk about BRRRR when it doesn't work in almost every market.

Post: Are the forums on BiggerPockets getting worse and worse or is it just me?

Jonathan Greene
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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

 I still find the Forums almost as fun as ever, but I'm just here to have fun and offer advice where I can actually provide any useful help....Lol....

Yes, the search feature is not great, but I find that true for most forums....?

So @Jonathan Greene,how can we make it better? If this Forum were yours as of right now, what would you do?


1. I would employ full-time paid employees as moderators, not VAs or people willing to help (although they are great for doing it) because it is what makes the site better to get rid of the dust.

2. I would spend money to enhance and update to current standards the search functionality and person to person tagging so it's easier to find stuff. Even the drop down menus for the forum subgroups are not organized that well.

3. I would try as a company to do whatever it takes to keep the old timers in the forums with some benefits or something to show that they mean something to the site. The entire focus is on new people because they spend on more.

4. I would allow for differences of opinions that are amicable, and even sometimes heated, as long as names and profanities aren't used. The culture of fragility is horrifying. I have seen several posts removed just because it was a problem post, but it was censorship. Nothing in the ones I am talking about were out of bounds at all.

Post: Are the forums on BiggerPockets getting worse and worse or is it just me?

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Caleb Brown:

Sometimes it feels like the same questions and things asked. I think that makes it feel like things have declined. I wish people would do some research on the forums before posting but I think people would rather make a post then search the forums to see their question has already been answered multiple times that day. AI replies and posts are annoying but hard to maintain/control those. Those by far annoy me the most, they barely add value or any


I think one of the issue's with your thought of folks should search the site first.. For me its next to impossible the search function I cant seem to get it work or its just not very good.. like trying to find a member if you cant remember how to spell the name exactly it wont come up for me I used to how my computer works.. just start typing in a name and it finds the email even if its not spell correctly.  

But no doubt we have to keep in mind as stated this site caters to a lot of folks starting their journey so to us who have been on the site for a minute or two it seems repetitive but to the new investor its not they dont know what they dont know.

I have seen the post which in the day I think we would have called them blog posts and basically marketing whatever they are doing or selling.. When you call one out those folks get offended I had that happen this week.. But I was not alone @henry Clark saw the same thing I did.. But then another guy got on and we know the SEO marketer and then made snarky comments that we were being snarky LOL..

This one is not a you issue for the tech, Jay, the search function and tagging is awful. Almost unusable and that is important when we tell people to look up the LLC question. That one can be found though for sure.

When I was moderating, it was frankly laughable the excuses the very few people made when their posts were obviously self-promotion. About ninety percent are thankful and just didn't know the rules.

Post: Are the forums on BiggerPockets getting worse and worse or is it just me?

Jonathan Greene
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Quote from @Joe S.:

I follow it some and post some. My post rate has went down considerably as of late. For me, I have very little to gain from posting at all.  I have nothing to sell, I’m not looking for partners, and I don’t enjoy arguing. 
About an about a week ago I  searched online to see if there were other real estate forms that might be interested and didn’t come up with any that seemed any better.

If I see someone, there’s exceptionally hostile to others it makes me a little more hesitant to interact with them. Also if someone is hostile to me I don’t engage in an argument per se, but I avoid them going forward.

I know people are busy, but one thing that also bother me exceptionally.…When the original poster doesn’t come back to their post and acknowledge the comments that people took the time to write. I mean, some threads are going on for pages and the person that started the post. They simply ghosted their original thread. I mean, if a person is going to ask a question and somebody goes into detail to answer it at least come back and read what somebody wrote. 


Yeah that is a huge pet peeve, but also could be AI posters who don't care or my even least favorite, didn't get the initial feedback they wanted so they didn't look again.

Post: Are the forums on BiggerPockets getting worse and worse or is it just me?

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Russell Brazil:

It's the same as it always has been. At every point in history of the 15+ years of the site I've noticed the old timers complaining that the site is the worst it's ever been. 


Obviously that feeling seems to extend to all people in all facets of life everywhere. The country is the worst it's ever been. My city is the worst it's ever been. Movies are the worst it's ever been. People always long for the days of yesteryear and idolize the past. 


 My thoughts as well. Things change and we get older and generally think the new stuff sucks. And the longer you are here, the more you've heard every question and seen every type of spam. I think the key is you have to just always try to look at it with fresh eyes and consider that others are in different points of their trajectory. 

Beyond that it's not in my nature to complain; I just like to identify problems and solve them, and if I can't solve them then either accept them or move to greener pastures. 


I think part of the problem is the search function sucks and people know not to use it to find information so its easier to ask a question. Should I use a LLC vs. insurance must have 100,000 posts on this forum.

Yes I am complaining but I am in the boat of I do not see it worse than before, it has changed an AI has it being so obvious and I saw an AI post the other day from someone who has an excellent reputation and had a good amount of responses and left it, but I know it was AI based on the structure. 

I think like Russell does, its the same but instead of complaining about a stubbed toe we are complaining about a broken fingernail.


Yes, the overall functionality of the site makes it very hard. It hasn't progressed at all. When you are tagging a person, if you mess up a letter, you have to start all over. And the search is absolutely abysmal, you can't find anything well. I agree with all of that.

Post: Are the forums on BiggerPockets getting worse and worse or is it just me?

Jonathan Greene
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Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Russell Brazil:

It's the same as it always has been. At every point in history of the 15+ years of the site I've noticed the old timers complaining that the site is the worst it's ever been. 


Obviously that feeling seems to extend to all people in all facets of life everywhere. The country is the worst it's ever been. My city is the worst it's ever been. Movies are the worst it's ever been. People always long for the days of yesteryear and idolize the past. 


 My thoughts as well. Things change and we get older and generally think the new stuff sucks. And the longer you are here, the more you've heard every question and seen every type of spam. I think the key is you have to just always try to look at it with fresh eyes and consider that others are in different points of their trajectory. 

Beyond that it's not in my nature to complain; I just like to identify problems and solve them, and if I can't solve them then either accept them or move to greener pastures. 


Yes, very fair analysis. I don't think there are greener pastures for this type of thing, but may be generally time to take a break for anyone who finds no value in the forums.

Post: Are the forums on BiggerPockets getting worse and worse or is it just me?

Jonathan Greene
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Quote from @Scott Mac:
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @Scott Mac:

It might be the investing environment.

Right now we have a different interest rate picture then we had a few years ago.

Also in many areas prices are very high.

Meaning the low hanging fruit for a new investor might be a little higher up on the tree and fewer and farther between.

And I also see many questions popping up about running a short term rental business, which to me is more of a business than an investment although it does involve an investment in real estate.


Great point about the low-hanging fruit being harder to reach. I just feel like many people have no will to try to ask a really good question anymore.

I've run into that sometimes too.

I think it stems from the question asker not having enough information and knowledge to ask a good question.

What I do in a situation like that, is I try to figure out what I think they really would like to ask if they had enough knowledge to ask a good question.

And then I answer the question I think they would ask if they knew more about this business vs. the original question.




That is helpful, but do you find, like I do, that only maybe half of those people actually appreciate that you went an extra level to help them and answer?