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All Forum Posts by: Jonah Hartsburg

Jonah Hartsburg has started 3 posts and replied 130 times.

Notwithstanding the local laws and what your lease states as others have mentioned, I'd set the expectation of at least the whole month due. But in practice, I'd be surprised to get any additional rent, and would instead focus efforts on getting the unit turned and leased as soon as possible. The vacancy will likely be the largest variable affecting the unit's income. If the unit isn't damaged, I would consider withholding part of the security deposit for unpaid rent.

Post: Buying a property with tenants - no signed lease!

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67

When it can be done, I try to sign a new short-term lease once closed with mirroring terms as to what everyone has already verbally agreed to. 

I'd caution to expect some resistance in booting out a 9-year tenant if they don't already know it's coming. While it seems simple enough, even "good" tenants tend to cause great delays on a project like this or refuse to move, forcing an eviction process. 

Post: Rent reporting to credit bureau

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67

Pinata is a popular resource that's free for tenants to use whether or not the landlord participates!

Post: how to take amazing rental photos with your phone

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Alexander Stringfellow:

Well said. And you might as well close the toilet lid before taking photos.

I like to grab a quick walkthrough video while I'm there and create an unlisted YouTube video for prospects. If you're doing in-person showings, you may notice the show rate of prospective tenants is alarmingly low. This helps make sure they have a remote interest in the layout of the unit before spending time at the property.

Post: How do I check credit and background?

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67

You could also bundle this service into property management software that services all your needs on one platform: Applications, credit/background screening, electronic rent collection, document storage, and maintenance requests. If you use the search bar, you should be able to find numerous opinions on the best platform for that, ranging from free and basic to more expensive and comprehensive. Congrats on your first tenants!

Post: full time asst manager taking off for Family Paid Leave for two months

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67

Hi @Leah B., I would enjoy the opportunity to discuss your specific situation and how we might help. My experience with virtual assistants stems from earlier experience in property management. I'll send you a DM if you'd like to schedule a time to chat. 

Post: Is 14% ever worth it?

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67

I worked with a PM in a different college town in Indiana that would charge 12-15% on rent, but they didn't mark up maintenance, would often visit the property to help diagnose repairs before sending out a vendor to avoid trip fees, used local handymen that were cheaper, and only charged that percentage on late fees as well. Unlike some PMs, their fees were transparent. 

@Andrew Postell's point is spot on. It seems a local referral would help reveal the nuances of that company and market.


Post: Hiring an in house property manager?

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Joy Shaw:

My wife and I are expecting our first child in June.  We have 65 rental units (single family, duplex, triplex, multi, commercial etc) and we both have full time jobs.  Currently, we self manage all of them and do the showings, leasings etc.  We could hire an outside property management company, but we have seen the local property management companies fees/contracts, and it would be quite cost prohibitive with this  many units.  We are considering hiring an in house property manager to handle day to day tenant interactions, showings, leasings, bookkeeping and probably other items that I haven't listed.  They'd be a W2 employee.   We'd certainly have to train them and guide them along the way, especially the first year or so, but our goal is to retain a long term W2 property manager.   

Has anyone out there done this?  I scoured BP but mostly saw people hiring management companies, I was having a difficult time locating many posts about having an in house property manager.  Now that we have as many units as we do, the numbers do not seem to make sense for hiring a management company.  Losing 10 percent plus the first 1-2 months rent would crush profit margins, and the management really isn't that hard to do, I'm just looking to free up our time to raise our kid.  Has anyone had good/bad experiences with this?  What are some things that you found worked for training your in house property manager?  Was there a lot of turnover with having your own PM, or did you find that you were able to retain a long term employee?  Did you have better success with in house vs management company?  Are there any online courses for training property managers?  I'd very happily train this person, but a course can really cover a lot of ground quickly and introduce a lot of information to a new employee.  

Thank you for you input,

Gabe


Hi Joy! I like to think of management activities in terms of buckets. First, I see what requires boots-on-the-ground people, probably some showings, property visits, and maintenance. Then I look at what activities can be remote. These tend to be administrative tasks such as bookkeeping, leasing communication, application screening, tenant questions, renewals, property management software, utility coordination, billing, answering the phone line, etc. From there I can decide what I want to do, what I want to hire out, what tech can assist, and what remote work I can utilize VAs for. With 65 units, I wonder if management can be successfully achieved with a handyman, leasing agent, and a few VAs without having to go through the W2 process yet keeping the system under your control and oversight. 

Post: mange yourself or use a PM

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67

Most people don't wake up and want to be a property manager. They might like the idea of less profit (or sometimes a lot less profit) and keep the investment more hands-off. Similarly, you could also become a lender, RE agent, insurance agent, lawyer, or contractor to save money. How do you want to spend your time? 

I would agree with you both. I think it often boils down to how you want to spend your time and what kind of skills you want to learn. Personally, I'll manage my local properties, utilizing tech and VAs until I want to spend my time elsewhere.

Post: Alterations without consent

Jonah HartsburgPosted
  • Investor
  • Marion, IN
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 67

Out of the $3,000 turn cost, how much were the additional items you wouldn't have consented to repair? 

For me, if a manager is going to exceed the repair threshold on non-emergent repairs, they better do what I normally would've done or have a convincing explanation for why it was in my best interest. Generally, I would rather they get the turn done quicker so it can get marketed sooner than go back and forth on smaller items.

It sounds like you would otherwise like to keep working with this manager. Since the expense doesn't make sense for you, I assume there's likely a mark-up profit on the repair that you could negotiate with to meet in the middle.