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All Forum Posts by: John Martinez

John Martinez has started 6 posts and replied 41 times.

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @John Martinez:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @John Martinez:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

Sell it.


 Why do you advice that? 

You will be (and already have been) losing money if you keep it.  What is your current equity?  Don't base your PV on Zillow's Zestimate.  It's very inaccurate.  Base it on the sold comps of the immediate surrounding area of properties that are ONLY within 10% of the same size as yours.
Thank youf or the feedback. Checking the recently asold comps through Redfin, I would estimate approximately $170,000 - $180,000 max. The comps are in the high $190-$200K but are complete remodels. ( All updates) 

Based off these numbers it wouldn't benefit me a whole lot to sell it. 

Unless, I put more money into it to try getting it to the $200K mark. 

Selling at the $200K range would potentially set me up to acquire 2 SFH rental properties or 1 multi-family.

Not much but it would be a start.  

maybe I missed it, but how much did you put down for a DP, and how much debt is still on the property?

 @Joe Villeneuve I used a VA loan, so I used the no money down option when I bought in 2018. I currently owe $142K. If I were to sell it, I would potentially have to put $6-8K to get ready and it would potentially sell for approximately $200K. I could potentially net, $35-45K depending on what the property sells for and use that money to get into another property, with more cash flow? Thoughts?

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @John Martinez:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

Sell it.


 Why do you advice that? 

You will be (and already have been) losing money if you keep it.  What is your current equity?  Don't base your PV on Zillow's Zestimate.  It's very inaccurate.  Base it on the sold comps of the immediate surrounding area of properties that are ONLY within 10% of the same size as yours.
Thank youf or the feedback. Checking the recently asold comps through Redfin, I would estimate approximately $170,000 - $180,000 max. The comps are in the high $190-$200K but are complete remodels. ( All updates) 

Based off these numbers it wouldn't benefit me a whole lot to sell it. 

Unless, I put more money into it to try getting it to the $200K mark. 

Selling at the $200K range would potentially set me up to acquire 2 SFH rental properties or 1 multi-family.

Not much but it would be a start.  

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Dan H.:

My concern is your underwriting.  $300 for vacancy, cap ex, maintenance is too low.  PM should be included even if self managing because it takes time and effort.  

The real cash flow on this is negative.

My next issue is it is rare for your ex-home to be your best RE investment option.  I have one of our ex-homes in my RE portfolio.  It is consistently our RE with the lowest returns.  This is because it was purchased to be a good home for my family and not necessarily the best investment property. 

Currently due to the 2 of 5 year rule, you will pay no taxes on that 20% gain.   Convert to a rental and not reside in the property 2 of 5 years will make the gains taxable. 

I advocate selling and purchasing RE that will provide far better return than your current property.  

Good luck


 @Dan H. Thank you for your input. What would you advice the underwriting or Cap Ex and Maintenance % be compared to rents. I did 5% for vacany, 5% for PM and 10% for CapEX. Do you think that is not realistic? 

If I sold the property and say I made $30,000, can I convert that with a 1031 tax exchange to an investment property? 

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Lawrence Potts:

Hey @John Martinez,

Couple things to think about here:

If you go to sell it, there are fees you'll have to pay including but not limited to commission (around 6%), you avoided capital gains, but you'll have title fees, sometimes closing costs or credit to the buyers, etc. You lose anywhere from 10-20% depending. At $190k (get a CMA from an agent, not Zestimates), that can take you down to $150k-170k range. Every state is different so talk to a local agent.

If you have the equity to make a move and you can find something that is going to make sense for you, then don’t write off the option of selling. I sold my first home to buy my 4plex I am currently house hacking. We originally were going to rent out by the bedroom in that home but we decided to make a move when we saw a home run deal. It was riskier than waiting it out until we could refinance and move out, but it worked out. The 4plex doubled in value in the last 3 years and we’re grossing +$2k living there. If we had kept our first place, we would have done fine too, but we most likely wouldn’t have found a deal like this one.

With that being said, you can still refinance and keep it as a rental. $144 isn't life changing money, but you also have principal paydown, appreciation, tax depreciation, and experience earned as being a landlord and an investor. It really depends on how much equity you have and how much this home affects your DTI.

I’d recommend talking to a lender to see what makes the most sense for your financial situation and what makes sense with your family. I recommend @Grant Schroeder, he’s an investor and a lender and has helped a lot of my clients get started and grow their portfolios.

Best of luck! Hope that helps. Let us know what you decide to do.

 @Lawrence Potts Solid advice. To be honest I was thinking about this when my daughter graudates high school in another 4 years. I told my wife, once she graduates and leaves for college, which she palns to. I wanted to sell our then current home and move into a 4 plex and rent the other units out and repeat this 3-4 times. I have access to the VA loan so that also helps out and as long as I can go in with a big enough down payment or buyer incentives depending on the market, I can make it work.

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Lucia Rushton:

@John Martinez I am a big proponent of house hacking and you have a great opportunity to consider here. Next property with a mortgage and 3-10% down. Rinse and repeat. As always just my opinion

 @Lucia Rushton Agreed, I was thinking of renting this out and going to the next to house hack but I got to admit, I do like the reccomendation of using a HELOC to acquire another investment property as well.

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Brian Baker:

I'll suggest option three along the lines of what @Josh Young suggested. In Texas, you can't take out a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) on a property that isn't your primary home. Think of it as a second position mortgage that you can take out and pay back as needed. So, you could take a HELOC out on your current house so you don't mess with the current 2.5% mortgage interest rate. It's almost the same as selling the house outright because you'd only get a percentage of the equity after taxes and fees anyway. Best part is, you don't get taxed on debt like you would the cash from a sale. Use that money as a down payment your next home, or even better, another investment property. HELOCs are good for 10 years, so use the cashflow to help pay it off faster and repeat the process.

Also, make sure you have the homestead exemption and consider challenging your property taxes to lower the mortgage payment. It might give a little breathing room and an increase to your cashflow. A good realtor can pull comps on houses in your area and make sure you're not being overcharged by the city/county/state. House prices were crazy high in the San Antonio area when they did tax assessments and the market has cooled off. There is a good chance you're being overcharged. Shopping for less expensive homeowners insurance policy is also a good place to trim the cost of your mortgage and increase cashflow. A 401k loan is also a good source for downpayment money if you have the option. 

 @Brian Baker great advice. I just want to make sure I am understanding this correctly. 

I take out a HELOC on my current home (beofre purchasing another, as you stated, you can't take out a HELOC if it is not your primary)

Use those funds to potentially acquire another investment property and use the proceeds from that investment to help pay the HELOC.

Hypothetical: 

If I take the Heloc and the cashflow is barely enough to cover the HELOC payment, I am still good with having a property that is appreciating and I can potentially sell or refinance later?

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Josh Young:

@John Martinez

I would definitely keep it as a rental, that's actually pretty good cash flow relatively speaking, anytime you can cover your PITI with under 75% of rent you should be good to hold long term, and your loan at 2.5% interest is a valuable asset, your principal portion of payments on your amortization schedule are much stronger than they would be on a new loan which might be over 7% interest on an investment property. Buy a new primary residence using a conventional 5% down loan and put a lease on the current house counting 75% of the rent to help qualify if you need. Maybe take out at HELOC on the property before you buy the next, once it's a rental it will be much harder to add leverage.

Thank you for the advice. Can I still apply for a new home while having a HELOC on the property?

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

Sell it.


 Why do you advice that? 

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20

Sorry - forgot to write option 2: 

Sale the property - and use whatever money I have to buy 2 properties? 

I would still need a home for the family so this to me seems a bit riskier. 


I think it would just depend on what the housing market does towards the end of the year. 

Post: Which option would you take?

John MartinezPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Texas
  • Posts 48
  • Votes 20

Hello, I have been bouncing this idea back and forth in my head and would like to just post it and get some feedback. I have a potential to rent my current home which would be my first and buy another home. Here are the numbers, let's get right to it. 

Current Home Value - ( Redfin - Zillow estimated) $190K

Rent potential - $1,500 month

Mortgage payment = $1,056 this includes taxes and insurance

5% vacancy and repairs = $150

10% CapEx = $150

Net Income = $144

the property has increased by +20% in equity over the 3 years I have owned it. It is in an area that is stable for rent. A big part of why I am opposed to selling it is I locked it in at a 2.5%. 

The plan is to move out of here and buy another house towards the end of the year or beginning of next year and rent this house out. 

Thoughts? 

* Yes, i understand that the Cashflow is not much, but is cashflow really King right now in this current market? Is anyone finding areas that cashflow +20% of the mortgage cost?