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All Forum Posts by: John Grinston

John Grinston has started 5 posts and replied 25 times.

Post: Using a HELOC for first property

John GrinstonPosted
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Quote from @Conner Olsen:
Quote from @Stephen Daniel Pace:

Hi BP! I'm looking into getting a HELOC on my primary residence since I have significant equity mainly due to the current market. I'd like to use it as a down payment or cash purchase for my first investment property so that I don't have to use my cash savings. I've seen and heard that this is possible but want to get thoughts from others who have done this and what success or challenges they've had. Thanks in advance for your replies!


Use a HELOC if you plan to pay it off in under 2 years. If you can't do that then refinance or get a second lien.

why in 2 years? Is that when more interest starts?
Quote from @Richard Boyd:
Quote from @John Grinston:
Quote from @Patti Robertson:

Hi there.  I'm also in Hampton Roads and an investor.  I hate to be discouraging, but I'm not sure this will be as easy as you think. Norfolk is strict on zoning so first you will have to find a lot in a neighborhood that will allow for your multi.  I've been working on one myself and we had a lot in a neighborhood that allows multis and is really deep.  The city said my lot isn't wide enough for what they will allow, although it is wide enough for a single family.  We got luck and the house next door went up for sale, so we bought it.  A lot of ducks need to be in a row to accomplish your goal.  I'm not saying it's not possible, but am just suggesting you also look for buildings that are already build that you can buy. Not only will your numbers look better, it will be much easier to achieve.

Thanks ,I’m looking in the Williamsburg area.There’s tons of multi units for sale in Norfolk but not in Williamsburg.Does Williamsburg changed anything?

 Hey John, I am the CFO for a few construction companies. One in the Williamsburg area. 

As many people mentioned developing a multifamily unit is a lengthy and expensive project and doing so with your VA loan might be difficult but there are some things you can do now to get a better understanding of your project. @Barry Ruby mentioned running a pro forma analysis to estimate the total project costs. Have you thought about buying a multifamily unit that would certainly save you time?


 Thanks for the information. I would much rather purchase an existing one in the area. I haven't seen a single mf on the market, what do you suggest?

Quote from @Patti Robertson:

How many units are you looking for? Smaller multis usually land in our MLS. Larger complexes are generally not in MLS but are on the commercial sites such as Loopnet. Right now we literally only have 12 properties that have more than 3 units listed in our Hampton Roads MLS. :(


Hi,Im interested in 2-4 units

Quote from @Cristian Rocael Carrillo:
Quote from @Charles Seaman:

@Cristian Rocael Carrillo lives in VA and can offer some insight about finding deals there.

 Thanks, Charles! @John Grinston, Zillow and Realtor, from my experience, have residential properties. If you are looking for similar sites for multifamily assets (5 units and above), you may want to visit Crexi.com. One thing to note is that these sites have properties that have already been viewed and probably passed on by other investors - this does not mean that they are bad deals, just something to be aware of. I recommend you start building relationships with brokers in the area with firms like CBRE, Capstone, M&M, etc. - you can also go on their sites to view the properties they have "on market." Once you develop a good relationship with a broker and they trust your credibility, background, ability to close, etc., they may send over 'pocket listings' or 'off-market' deals! Reach out if you have any questions. 

@Aj Parikh, I am in the DC area, would love to connect!

Quote from @Cristian Rocael Carrillo:
Quote from @Charles Seaman:

@Cristian Rocael Carrillo lives in VA and can offer some insight about finding deals there.

 Thanks, Charles! @John Grinston, Zillow and Realtor, from my experience, have residential properties. If you are looking for similar sites for multifamily assets (5 units and above), you may want to visit Crexi.com. One thing to note is that these sites have properties that have already been viewed and probably passed on by other investors - this does not mean that they are bad deals, just something to be aware of. I recommend you start building relationships with brokers in the area with firms like CBRE, Capstone, M&M, etc. - you can also go on their sites to view the properties they have "on market." Once you develop a good relationship with a broker and they trust your credibility, background, ability to close, etc., they may send over 'pocket listings' or 'off-market' deals! Reach out if you have any questions. 

@Aj Parikh, I am in the DC area, would love to connect!


 Thanks for all of that great information. I didn't think to look on their website for listings.

Quote from @Aj Parikh:

I am a multi family investor from Northern Virginia but primarily buy real estate in Cleveland because there are close to no opportunities in the Northern Virginia in the multi family space. If you are interested in connecting, let me know and I can share my experience. 


 Thanks

Quote from @Steven Baltimore:

Propertyshark.com may be a good place to visit.


 thanks, I'll look into that  

How do you all find your MF deals? I don't see any for sell in my area. Is there another way to go about finding them other than zillow and realtor.com?

Hi BP, I'm looking for advice on a VA new construction loan. I'm 32 years old and currently live in the property I purchased using a VA loan in 2018 here in Hampton Roads Virginia .I would now like to purchase a multifamily and rent out my current property. There aren't any MF in my area so I'm considering having one built. I plan to occupy one unit for the first year and move shortly after. I have 468k worth of VA entitlements remaining to cover the land and construction. I also have 60k saved. Land in my area is affordable around 40-55k for the lot (not 100% on that without knowing the size that would be required)As far as debt goes my current mortgage is $1080 a month with loan amount of 180K.My home is my only debt, no other loans or card balances. I make around $7300 a month most of which I save. My question is, with the information provided does this sounds possible ?I plan to start calling a list of builders my realtor provided but not sure what all questions to ask outside of price per square foot. Thanks in advance for the feedback!

Quote from @Mike Wood:

@John Grinston If you are planning on trying to use the VA to fund a new construction house, you would need to find a lender that will do that. While the is a VA construction loan program, for all the people I have talked to, they are impossible to find. Generally construction loans are very capital intensive, generally needing 25% of total costs, and are not easy loans to qualify for, especially if you dont have any building experience. You may be able to find local banks that will do construction loans on a single family residence you plan on living in with lower down payment/capital, but not multifamily.

To use ball park numbers, I would say $125-175/ft2 is likely the lower end of the market for construction costs in your area, not including land and finance/soft costs.  Local general contractors will be able to give you ball parks, but they would be very general with wide ranges.  For specific pricing, you would have to have building plans and location determined.

I see zero value in working with a realtor on a new construction.  They wont have any experience in it and wont really have a good way to get paid for their time (contractors aren't likely to pay there commissions).  

Thanks for all the information, I’ve found a lender and I also have the money to put down.You’re saying I should just work directly with the builder and lender ?