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All Forum Posts by: John Slater

John Slater has started 10 posts and replied 229 times.

Post: Listing agent advised us to wait for house to going into foreclosure to buy...

John SlaterPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Riverside County, CA
  • Posts 238
  • Votes 157

If the property is no longer listed, I would try reaching out to the owner direct, with a purchase offer including paying the taxes within the offer.  If I couldn't reach the owner, and because she is elderly, I would skip trace for a son/daughter, someone I could call and chat with them.  If she loses it at tax sale she'll get nothing, not that she may or may not care, but generally kids care if there's nothing.... and also play the card of "I'm coming to you as son/daughter as I'd like to make an offer to buy the property, she doesn't have an agent and I would like a family member involved to know someone else has reviewed the offer for your mother".  Drop me a DM if you need help on the skip tracing side, super easy when you have all the systems already.

Post: Second mortgage foreclosure scenario

John SlaterPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Riverside County, CA
  • Posts 238
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Quote from @Sean S.:

Thank you @John Slater. I have a copy of the second mtg trust deed but not the note itself to see the terms of the default clause, which I imagine are crazy as you say. That said, even if  the rate doubled to 20 percent immediately and applied for 4 years, it still wouldn't get you from 300 to 779. So the penalties would have to be very crazy. 

And thank you, @Jay Hinrichs. A buyout makes sense to me but it would also mean the minimum bid is less than the amounts owed on both the first and second mtgs combined—I'm told that's pretty common. 


 I understand.  I've never seen a buyout like you mention.  Truth is the lenders dont care about each other enough for that.  2nd foreclosures, gets their money which it looks like they did, they now don't care what happens to new buyer, old owner, or the first lender who will likely foreclosure for themselves.  It's not just a 'don't care', legally 2nd and 1st work separately.

Post: Second mortgage foreclosure scenario

John SlaterPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Riverside County, CA
  • Posts 238
  • Votes 157
Quote from @Sean S.:

Thanks @John Slater and @Wayne Brooks. If you then do see that the minimum bid is set to double the amount of the second mtg, what could be the reason? The second mtg in my real world case is a hard money loan and even at a 10% interest rate, it would not double in the 4 years since it became due. 

I've been told that perhaps the second mtg bought out the first, but wouldn't that be recorded? 

Hope you dont mind me posting reply here now I looked it up... but great for others to read and learn also.

So I see what you mean. So, based on the 2nd loan being a private money loan, it will no doubt have extortionate fees and penalties and increasing interest when in default. Their default goes all the way back on the 2nd loan to 11.2020 when 2nd lender issued NOD for $375k. 4.2021 they issued NTS for 395k. Then re issued the NTS 1/2023 for over $779k. So it's not that they doubled it, more likely they've just imposed crazy penalties. All that said, it looks like it was sold at auction and is 3rd party owned. I don't see date of sale, but in addition, there's a mechanics lien posted on 3/7 for $80k which would have been wiped out when the second foreclosure, but has presumably been posted after the sale date, which probably then won't make sense if the claim was against the owner who's now lost the property... and finally, the first mortgage was $500 back in 2007, so thats still needs to be satisfied.

Post: Do you tell your pre-foreclosure sellers that you noticed they’re in pre-foreclosure?

John SlaterPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Riverside County, CA
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Quote from @Mike Schorah:

I don’t want to offend them, but I find that asking them why they are thinking about selling gets me nowhere. They always evade the answer to that question.


From your question, are you asking from the realtor perspective of "when I go to a listing appointment and I know they are in foreclosure? If so, then absolutely.  I actually word it straight up with "I did my research on the property before I came and noticed you were in pre-forelcosure, do you know exactly where you are in the process as time could be an issue" then that gives a Segway for you to show your knowledge and educate them.

Post: Second mortgage foreclosure scenario

John SlaterPosted
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  • Riverside County, CA
  • Posts 238
  • Votes 157

Hi, No. The max the lender can open bidding is what is owed to that lender. So if the second is foreclosing for $100k, and it sells at $100k, the first is still in place.

Post: Looking for the best Paid service in Texas for Pre-foreclosure leads?

John SlaterPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Riverside County, CA
  • Posts 238
  • Votes 157

I've used prop stream and property radar but finding some challenges in counties surrounding Dallas.  I'm looking for the best paid online service, not looking to go to the courthouse/recorders office.

Any suggestions please.

Post: New at Foreclosures - looking for experience with Auction.com

John SlaterPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Riverside County, CA
  • Posts 238
  • Votes 157
Quote from @Francisca Maiza:

Hello! I am Chilean and living in Colorado since 3 years ago. I was an expert working with foreclosures in Chile, and I want to start buying this kind of properties in Colorado. I have a couple of questions for people with successful expertise in foreclosures. Is it better to buy a foreclosure list (https://www.padhawk.com/event/...) , or to create my own one? How trustable is https://www.auction.com/
? Would you recommend it to start looking for properties in this situation? How many properties do you think my list should have if I want to close at least one?

Hi. There’s a lot of different systems to find the leads. Auction.com is giving it you for free but only when it gets to the auction stage. I use property radar and prop stream, and get to the lead before it gets to the auction stage like Elliott suggests. 

Post: How does one pursue an abandoned home, possibly no heirs?

John SlaterPosted
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  • Riverside County, CA
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Quote from @Rodney Sums:

This property is in El Paso, TX

The following is an account from a friend of mine interested in pursuing neighboring home:

-House has been vacant 6 years

-The owner and her two sons died. Owner nor children were married. Owner has no grandchildren. It is unknown if there's any other next of kin. It appears none are aware as the property isn't being maintained.

I looked up tax records on the county assessor site. The last payment was in 2020. Not sure how long that county waits to put the taxes to auction.  What I told her so far is the state (or other governing body) would eventually put the house in to probate and it would go to the next of kind...which could even be some distant cousin the owner wasnt acquaintedwith.  I also shared with her the possibility of a tax auction and someone gaining ownership that way.  

I'm not certain between auction and probate which would take precedent. 

I suggested she work with a realtor, maybe even a P.I. to find who would be the heir and approach them for an off market deal.

if anything I said is incorrect and you have some insight about how she might pursue buying this hime, especially if you know how it works in that county, please share! Thank you.


 The line of succession for an heir goes down then back up, did the mom have any brothers/sisters, or did the moms parents have brothers/sisters etc. 

if there truly is no heir there is ’nothing’ you can do at all except wait for tax or lender foreclosure and try to buy at auction. 
I’d dig a little harder on checking for a relative, and if still nothing, I’d report to public administrators office and let them go dig further. 

Post: How does one pursue an abandoned home, possibly no heirs?

John SlaterPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Riverside County, CA
  • Posts 238
  • Votes 157
Quote from @Chad U.:

Unless laws are different in Texas, no the state will not open probate. Only an heir or the estate would do so.  

The only recourse you may have is if there is a mortgage on the property. You could potentially contact the lender and purchase it from them. You would then need file for foreclosure.

Failing that the most likely scenario is it would go to tax sale.

In California the state would file probate as a public administrator from the sheriffs office. 
Also the lender won’t talk to you, you have zero access to the lender. 

Post: How to start Wholesaling RE & Find Buyers List

John SlaterPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Riverside County, CA
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Quote from @Jennifer Dixon:
Quote from @Scott Mac:
Quote from @John Slater:
Quote from @Scott Mac:

Regarding wholesaling, 

( I know zero about wholesaling SFH's).

It seems like it would take a lot of time to find someone who does not want (a Realtor to set a value) and list a home properly?

How do you wholesalers set a price that's below market enough to make a profit (that's more than a Realtor & Broker would charge a deal for)?

Do you tell them you are valuation experts or something (but are misleading them to make a profit)?

Basically it seems like finding someone "ignorant of the process" enough to sell for a price cut to you (but secretly to someone else would be like finding a needle in a haystack.

Wouldn't just being a legal Realtor bring in more money with the same amount of time and effort--due to more available potential clients?

Just my 2 cents!

strong opinion for “no experience” in wholesaling haha

without a doubt I know there are wholesalers who take advantage, mislead, and get sellers under contract at a lower price than might make sense to you or I.  But then again, I know flippers and buy n hold investors who would do the same. Isn’t most of investors business about getting a discount??  does that mean ALL take advantage, of course not.

a wholesaler is calculating their numbers based on ARV, condition, cost of rehab etc. same as a flipper, but taking an assignment fee instead. It’s still the same, finding motivated sellers who “need” to sell at a discount for whatever reason. 

I’m an agent and have wholesaled. The numbers just made sense. The challenge I have with wholesalers is to the seller they are buying the house and if they can’t find a buyer, then what???




 Thanks, 

I really have no opinion on it, I was just guessing how it worked.

It seems like a long shot finding people willing to sell like this at a price point where you can make a profit.

I also see people who intend to rely on this tactic to get a down payment together vs work a 2nd job for the money.

Kind of like , if you're looking for golden nuggets in Golden Gate Park, your going to have to look aa long time just to find one.

Or am I wrong and someone can do a ton of deals like this every year and outstrip the income from working a second job?


 There are several companies wholesaling ALL over - yes, some are not --what we would call the most upstanding, but I think you're missing a very real and surprisingly larger portion of the demographic - or at least discounting it far too heavily in the form of a negative perception based on ignorance vs actual knowledge. 

Truthfully, some people wholesale their homes - ie sell to a wholesaler bec the process is just plain easier. I bought a property at wholesale bec the owner was a LEGIT hoarder. Could that house been listed on the MLS? sure. Would people have wanted to go in ? Only a few. Would the person with the hoarding propensity be able to tolerate other "strangers" rummaging through their precious belongings? Probably not.

Wholesaling definitely serves a purpose. Some folks do give it a bad name, but, I for one, am thrilled to partner with wholesalers as much as possible, and I'd like to amp up my own wholesaling expertise bec I am doing the home owner a service.

Many realtors talk badly about wholesalers and I frankly just think it is a lack of knowledge forming strong opinions. 

 Agreed - I have tried working with many wholesalers but am yet to find a good one in 10 years.  That being said, I have wholesaled and it is great strategy that does serve a purpose. 

@Scott Mac - you're not wrong, it isn't an easy business but if you can make a solid 10-15k per transaction you don't need to do many to stay away from the 2nd job.

@Thomas Heyde - the biggest challenge people miss when getting into wholesaling is whether a flipper or wholesaler, the business is about finding motivated sellers to work with.  As a wholesaler you might not carry the weight to flip, but you are looking to sell to an investor who still wants some meat on the bone.  Some wholesalers try to hit that home run and make the big bucks without doing the work of a flipper and is when they run in to trouble finding an end buyer.  Be conservative in your numbers, take the singles, and with consistent lead gen (probate and pre-foreclosures and vacant) are my favorites, occasionally you come across a home run.