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All Forum Posts by: John Friendas

John Friendas has started 9 posts and replied 27 times.

Quote from @Jay Hurst:
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Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

If you are on the note or personally guarantee the debt, then it will affect the liability side of DTI, regardless of whether the lender reports the loan on your personal credit. You will be asked to disclose this during the application process, and not doing so is concealing a debt and would be fraud. Depending on the loan product, you may be able to exclude business debt once the business has paid the debt directly for 12 months.

The income and losses related to the operation of the entity will affect the income side of your DTI (like Jay explained) if you own 25% or more of the entity. The distributions and allocations on your K1 will dictate what is attributed to you.


 What would be the best way to go about it then? I make about 70k a year from my salaried job and my friend makes double that. I'm trying to make it so I'm on the deed/title and not the mortgage.

I know the income side would be effected with the dti I was just wanting the debt side not to be. The net rental income should be about 65% more than the mortgage.


If the above is true, the income will offset the debt in the DTI calculation, so who cares?


 I would be thinking about future loans as I plan to do purchase another property soon after. Whereas he would be good with this for a while. What I'm aiming for are turnkey rentals and trying to max out the amount of conventional, lower interest loans.


again, the DTI income ratio will be IMPROVED if the property shows cash flow. Improved, not made worse. So, you are not at limiting your self when buying a new property. This is 100% the most misunderstood aspect of rental income.


I think I misunderstand DTI for rental incomes.

My DTI goes up with a cashflow positive rental ($2000 expense and $3,500 income). I used the 75% rule on the income and added it and my DTI without the rental goes from 24% to 38%.

Or does it just allow me to just take the net profit of that rental and add it to my rental?

As a person with an average salary, I was wondering what the maximum amount of DSCR loans a lender would give out would look like? I have one conventional mortgage and am looking for turnkey rentals, which there are many of in the midwest. How do I get to 5, 10, 20 properties with DSCR? And do they care if I do rent by the room strategies?

Originally, I felt limited by conventional lending DTI.

The downpayment and closing costs would be one large hurdle in order to repeat this, I'm not sure how willing lenders are to allow 3 properties a year. Still learning the DSCR ins and outs. Thanks!

Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @John Friendas:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

If you are on the note or personally guarantee the debt, then it will affect the liability side of DTI, regardless of whether the lender reports the loan on your personal credit. You will be asked to disclose this during the application process, and not doing so is concealing a debt and would be fraud. Depending on the loan product, you may be able to exclude business debt once the business has paid the debt directly for 12 months.

The income and losses related to the operation of the entity will affect the income side of your DTI (like Jay explained) if you own 25% or more of the entity. The distributions and allocations on your K1 will dictate what is attributed to you.


 What would be the best way to go about it then? I make about 70k a year from my salaried job and my friend makes double that. I'm trying to make it so I'm on the deed/title and not the mortgage.

I know the income side would be effected with the dti I was just wanting the debt side not to be. The net rental income should be about 65% more than the mortgage.


If the above is true, the income will offset the debt in the DTI calculation, so who cares?


 I would be thinking about future loans as I plan to do purchase another property soon after. Whereas he would be good with this for a while. What I'm aiming for are turnkey rentals and trying to max out the amount of conventional, lower interest loans.

Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

If you are on the note or personally guarantee the debt, then it will affect the liability side of DTI, regardless of whether the lender reports the loan on your personal credit. You will be asked to disclose this during the application process, and not doing so is concealing a debt and would be fraud. Depending on the loan product, you may be able to exclude business debt once the business has paid the debt directly for 12 months.

The income and losses related to the operation of the entity will affect the income side of your DTI (like Jay explained) if you own 25% or more of the entity. The distributions and allocations on your K1 will dictate what is attributed to you.


 What would be the best way to go about it then? I make about 70k a year from my salaried job and my friend makes double that. I'm trying to make it so I'm on the deed/title and not the mortgage.

I know the income side would be effected with the dti I was just wanting the debt side not to be. The net rental income should be about 65% more than the mortgage.

Quote from @Jeff Chisum:

Are you 50/50 members of the LLC?


Yes it is a blank slate and we are both open to making it work in whatever way necessary. He gets how much work managing it locally is and I get the benefit of having my DTI not effected.

Hey,

My investing partner and I have reached an agreement where he would have the debt under his name and apply for it individually, and I would do the majority of the management (he is out of state and my income is half his). Is there a way to do this commercial mortgage with a LLC where the mortgage would never show on my DTI?

It's a multifamily investment partnership and we will have a separate contract dividing everything else 50/50. Thanks for the help!

Quote from @Chris Seveney:
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When buying at auction you will have zero ability to sue (and win) an auction site if information is not correct. 


 It does seem like it is such a significant misrepresentation though, I wonder if getting some confirmations in writing helps. Either way it would be a grey area, selling a house with a different amount of units/bedroom/bathroom seems extreme though.


 its an auction site, I have seen auction sites miss the fact there was additional lots in a sale. They are not a realtor and up to the standards of a realtor. IF it was not on an auction site none of the information would be known unless you do your own research. they could say its a 3bed 2 bath home and you go buy and its burned down (seen that before). 100% is on the person bidding at auction.


Do you know the degree to which they fought back on these inaccuracies?

It would definitely be fraud if this was the case, a recent post from an auctioneer talked about this exact situation, where they said the auctioneer was liable (different bedrooms/type of home example you don't have to read it) States would differ though and it doesn't seem black and white. https://mikebrandlyauctioneer.wordpress.com/2022/07/12/no-li...

I do agree with you that it could very well lead to being burnt, however. It would be on an auction site with pictures/a description of which each unit rents for.

Quote from @Chris Seveney:

When buying at auction you will have zero ability to sue (and win) an auction site if information is not correct. 


 It does seem like it is such a significant misrepresentation though, I wonder if getting some confirmations in writing helps. Either way it would be a grey area, selling a house with a different amount of units/bedroom/bathroom seems extreme though.

Quote from @Heather Bailey:

Hi John!  Great to see your message on looking at auction properties. This is a great way to get an affordable deal. There are definitely risks that will be completely outside of the auction house. Definitely do homework on making sure you can get a clean title and make sure that the foreclosure was on the first lien.   In a rare case, it could be the second lien that is forclosing meaning the first lane still exists, and you would be on the hook for that. Go to your town clerk, and look up all the information on the loans on the owner and the property.  I highly recommend a book called Foreclosures Unlocked by Matthew Tortoriello and Kevin Shippee.  They also are on TikTok as "two guys take on real estate". They have have done a great job outlining all the possible things that can go wrong and what  can go right.   Finally, check with the Town to make sure there are no municipal liens, Make sure they're on Town sewer, check with the tax assessor to see how many bedrooms the tax office thinks there are, (important if you are flipping) buy ok to have more bedrooms if you are planning to buy and hold.  On utilities, I bought a foreclosure in NJ and found out it was not attached to Town sewer and I actually had to extend the main line up to my property then put the lateral in and abandon an old cesspool.  That was more than $80,000. It was a high value house so it was OK but I sure don't want to run into that again!    Last I would see if there is a record of an oil tank. Contamination would be a big problem to find.   It would be nice if you could do a tank sweep, but see if you can see any trace of a pipe from the curb if they don't let you do a sweep.  If you have a real estate agent in your market that can help, ask them to look up any old listings on the property.  This is a good way to see old photos, bedroom accounts, utilities, etc.. they may also be able to help u check if it's in a flood zone. Good luck!  Let us know how it works out!


 Thanks for the tips!

I was able to check an old listing and it showed it as being 2 units instead of 3 and one bedroom/bathroom less than what they are claiming.

Tomorrow I plan on having my pretty wife knock on a couple doors, hopefully she can talk to someone living there so we don't get something substantially different. I'll also check with the city on any potential liens, I think any inspection would have to be done after my $15k deposit so it would be a high risk, high potential reward type deal, and there is a 15+ bids already.

Hey,

I'm looking at an auction, with curbside buying only where you can't disturb the tenants. They claim it is a triplex (two regular units and an "efficiency unit". They also claim it has 6 beds and 5 baths. I only see 5 beds and 4 baths in the listing and do not see that third efficiency unit in the listing pictures. 

Considering it's from a reputable auction site, do I have decent legal standing if they misrepresent it? They say they are not liable for inaccuracies but the number of bedrooms, bathrooms, and unit amount seems incredibly major. Once you win the auction you have to put down a 15k deposit so I don't want to not have a chance of getting it back. The offer seems great numbers wise, possibly even without the 3rd unit.