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All Forum Posts by: John Horner

John Horner has started 112 posts and replied 1113 times.

Post: How are you preparing your investment company for a correction?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Chris Seveney:

John Horner I am a buy and hold guy with rentals in prime locations (Washington DC area). Having been to see some pretty well known economists speak most believe 2020 will be the start of some unpleasantries. We still have 2 years. I am preparing my business by looking at other avenues.8 am not sitting around waiting for it. I have alternative investment strategies and am setting myself up for when it comes to take advantage of it

 We are doing the same Chris, preparing for what is to come but also trying to take full advantage of where the market is today!

Post: How are you preparing your investment company for a correction?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

I get these weekly for my Oregon Markets and in Charleston my realtor send me updates.

https://altos.re/r/85542a0

for now I only have 4 more houses out of 23 to sell since the first of the year on my new builds in this city and profits are record highs.. so all is well for now.

Charleston the job market there is SO strong as I don't see it having  big change anytime soon.

the only one's that are hurting a little are landlords.. as there was a rush to buy and hold and not enough new construction being built we keep making new highs with our new homes. and nothing last more than 30 days..  ( Charleston Market specific)

Now I have two big Oregon projects on the books my bankers think like @Chris Seveney we are and they are fine financing for the next 2 build years.. then who knows but we still have not recovered from the last recession we still have a shortage of about 20 thousand new builds that can be absorbed.. so no slow down and you see the market report indicates that and the 3 big Amazon sites that are bringing about 6k workers don't go into service until late fall.. and the 23 homes I am building is 2 miles from there I did not sell one to anyone from Amazon.. sold one on sunday so some one moving in from Vegas.. so still 100 people a day move into the Portland metro and about 50 a day into Charleston those are my two main new build markets.

all of my turn key markets are also having record years the appetite for cash flow rentals has never been higher and with financing finally loosened up to where its not like pulling teeth to get a loan its just roared back with no end in site.. at least for my guys and gals.

And of course our note business is just steaming ahead at record pace as well as investors at the mom and pop level have learned what turnkey note investing is all about.

 I like your optimism!  I think a lot of markets like you mentioned are going to be protected from the next correction due to multiple industries all producing jobs.  Columbus, Ohio being one of them!

Post: How are you preparing your investment company for a correction?

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @John Horner:

I've recently been stress testing my company and I'm curious if others are doing this?

For me it's been as simple as simulating a correction and removing, for instance, flip income, as well as reducing gross rents.  Then I take a look at where my companies financials would stand TODAY.  This is helping us plan for and future correction/recession.

Is anyone else doing this?

What are you doing to improve your stance if a correction were to occur?

 Hi John, I'm constantly assessing the economy, real estate, and other events and how I approach the market. For me, I keep my debt load low (by buying using Subject To instead of using banks), I make sure each of my properties cash flow above average ($500 or more positive cash flow per month) and that they will still be a good choice if the rents drop (which I think for the foreseeable future they will continue going up). 

I watch unfunded liabilities and unfunded pension plans because the two obvious solutions politicians will choose are 1. raising taxes or 2. declaring bankruptcy. If property taxes go up significantly, like King Co. WA has just done (Seattle) or a city or a state declare bankruptcy (like Stockton, CA or maybe Illinois), then any investments in any of those areas lose value and may become a liability instead of an asset.

I don't Fix & Flip anymore because it is both the riskiest and highest taxed of the real estate investment options. I strictly buy "off market" using Subject To, Wraps, and Owner Financing and then sell using Lease Options for cash flow. Most people are too consumed with today's profits to even imagine that the market can swiftly change. I've been at this for nearly 25 years and if you look at the charts, we are probably due for a correction.

 This is good I like it, and an interesting strategy as well!

Post: Central Ohio Investor Network (COIN)

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Mark Welp:

John,
Are these lunches or evening events?

Thanks,

 We start at 6pm and the speaker goes on around 630pm.  After that we just network!

Post: Central Ohio Investor Network (COIN)

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

Yup 17th.  I had it right in the Event portion. lol.

Thanks @Brad Clarizio

Post: Central Ohio Investor Network (COIN)

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

C.O.I.N is a free and informal real estate education and networking group in the Columbus and Central Ohio area.

Every week we have a short speaker (no pitching) who talks about their specialty in real estate.

April 17th we will have a speaker talking about residential financing for rental properties.

Please click HERE to get added to our list and receive emails on location and specifics about each months Meetup.

Post: Seller is not transferring keys at closing.

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Max T.:

I would demand the house be delivered vacant of all possessions and occupants at closing AND with keys delivered to you at settlement.

This sounds easy, but at 50 cents on the dollar sometimes you gotta just get it done.   

Post: Favorite Direct Mail Companies

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

Ima give a shout out to EverestDMM.  I used to use YL.com but Everest has way better pricing, and they're small and you can talk to the GM whenever you call.

Post: How do you earn/save extra money thread?

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I used to buy used golf clubs and sell them individually or package them and sell with a bag as a whole set.  I just enjoyed it.  My favorite part was finding and learning about the 100 year old hickory shafts!

Post: How are you preparing your investment company for a correction?

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I've recently been stress testing my company and I'm curious if others are doing this?

For me it's been as simple as simulating a correction and removing, for instance, flip income, as well as reducing gross rents.  Then I take a look at where my companies financials would stand TODAY.  This is helping us plan for and future correction/recession.

Is anyone else doing this?

What are you doing to improve your stance if a correction were to occur?