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All Forum Posts by: John Coffman

John Coffman has started 5 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Contractor for maintinence items

John Coffman
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  • Denver, CO
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Thanks everyone! Got a guy to get it done!

Post: Contractor for maintinence items

John Coffman
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  • Denver, CO
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Hi There, We have a STR in Franklin, TN(Closer to Leipers Fork) and are looking for a contractor or handyman for Maintinence items that come up. I am a contractor myself but we live in the Denver area. Let me know if you have any reccomendations.

Thanks!

Post: Subject to with Pennymac

John Coffman
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  • Denver, CO
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Hi all, Anyone done a subject to deal lately on a mortgage from Pennymac? I've got a deal I'm looking at and should be able to get it subject to but have heard that Pennymac can be a problem if the payment is not coming from the name on the loan. 

Thanks!

Post: Kansas City Investor Virtual Get Together (Trying to coordinate/create)

John Coffman
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  • Denver, CO
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Hi all, I've been investing in the KCMO market for a few years and would be happy to share our experiences if anyone has questions. Live in Denver and invest here as well. 

Post: When to have an asset manager

John Coffman
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  • Denver, CO
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Hey guys, looking at the future and wondered when it would make sense to add an asset manager to the team? Is there a time or value when this would make sense?  Thanks for your feedback!

Post: Partnering with a friend on a commercial property

John Coffman
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  • Contractor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Trent Wyss:

@John Coffman Why would you only be getting 2.4% of the ownership if you are putting down 12% (100/840=0.119) of the equity? You should be getting 12% ownership. 

I didn’t really think about it with that view. This is new for us as we have always invested in our own deals. Would that be typical to expect for a LP in a deal like this?

Post: Partnering with a friend on a commercial property

John Coffman
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  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 13
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Quote from @James Storey:
Quote from @John Coffman:
Quote from @James Storey:

Hey John,

It depends on if you are taking a GP (general partner) position in the investment or an LP (limited partner) position. The way you asked the question makes me think that you are structuring as a limited partner in which an annual cash flow yield (set by you and your partner) will be merited with lower upside on equity if much at all unless you negotiate upside. On the other hand, if you are taking a GP position (your name will be on the operating agreement), then it depends on how much the property cash flows will determine your individual yield. 

James Storey, CCIM

We would be in a LP role. They just are needing money for the down payment. Mainly thinking if there would/should be and expectation for some of the monthly income from the lease? Neither of us has done anything like this before but want it to be equitable for all parties. 

So most investors offer a standard yield to limited partners. Typically it is between 7%-9% on the limited equity investment with an additional equity kicker to get an IRR of close to at least 12%-15% when the limited partner is bought out from a refinance or a sale of the property. Or it is structured where the limited partners obtains 49% of the equity once the property is sold. These are just some ideas that I have seen be done on deals by my clients.

James Storey, CCIM

Thanks James! I appreciate your onsite. 

Post: Partnering with a friend on a commercial property

John Coffman
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  • Contractor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 13
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Quote from @James Storey:

Hey John,

It depends on if you are taking a GP (general partner) position in the investment or an LP (limited partner) position. The way you asked the question makes me think that you are structuring as a limited partner in which an annual cash flow yield (set by you and your partner) will be merited with lower upside on equity if much at all unless you negotiate upside. On the other hand, if you are taking a GP position (your name will be on the operating agreement), then it depends on how much the property cash flows will determine your individual yield. 

James Storey, CCIM

We would be in a LP role. They just are needing money for the down payment. Mainly thinking if there would/should be and expectation for some of the monthly income from the lease? Neither of us has done anything like this before but want it to be equitable for all parties. 

Post: Partnering with a friend on a commercial property

John Coffman
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Posted
  • Contractor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 13
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Quote from @James Storey:

Hey John,

It depends on if you are taking a GP (general partner) position in the investment or an LP (limited partner) position. The way you asked the question makes me think that you are structuring as a limited partner in which an annual cash flow yield (set by you and your partner) will be merited with lower upside on equity if much at all unless you negotiate upside. On the other hand, if you are taking a GP position (your name will be on the operating agreement), then it depends on how much the property cash flows will determine your individual yield. 

James Storey, CCIM


Post: Partnering with a friend on a commercial property

John Coffman
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  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 13
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Hi BP friends! My wife and I have mainly done long term buy and hold over the last 12 years of our investing career and have an opportunity to partner on a small scale with a friend who is purchasing a commercial building they are leasing currently for a different business they operate. The price is $4.2 mil for the building and the down payment is $840k. We would probably be putting $100k in and getting a 2.4% ownership in the building but we haven’t done anything like this before and are wondering how a deal like this should be structured for returns? Would it typically be just an equity play or would one expect to get a percentage of the monthly income as well? 
Thanks for your input!