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All Forum Posts by: John Clevenger

John Clevenger has started 6 posts and replied 69 times.

Post: New investor from Israel

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

@Abir Stolov

Love to hear another investor is entering our market!

Can't tell you enough about how excited I am for Indy and it's growth over the next decade. With that being said, I have to agree with @Mike D'Arrigo, Indy is a market that can change street by street and having boots on the ground to help you navigate that will be a huge advantage. 

The areas you focus on will depend heavily on your goals. Happy to chat through what I'm seeing and give you the tools necessary to be successful here in this market. 

Good luck!

Post: Indianapolis vs Cincinnati vs Cleveland - First time investor

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

@Amy Mitchell

Clearly both Gloria and I are biased however when you look at the broad metrics of the Indy area comparative to other markets I believe it is the most well rounded. I've outlined below some of the noteworthy things that would be pertinent to your decision on our area. 

  • - Median sale price is 230k as of Feb. 
  • - Indianapolis has rent rates climbing at the fastest rate in the nation (+8%)
  • - 3rd highest YoY rent growth since last year of the same time. (14.85%)
  • - Unemployment rate of 2.2%
  • - IU Healthcare (near Northside) announced in January a 4.3B expansion
  • - Mayor Joe Hogsett announced in January $80M to Indianapolis parks. And $190M in facility upgrades
  • - 16 Tech Innovation District
    • - A mixed-use 60-acre development including advanced technologies innovation district, including offices, research laboratories, parking garage, housing and retail space plus parks, walking paths and other amenities
  • - Elanco (Animal health Leader and spinoff of Eli Lilly) building their new $100mil headquarters just south of the Indianapolis Zoo
  • - Indy Eleven Investing over 1 Billion in the development of their new Eleven Park. A mixed use development project including their new soccer stadium (over 20 acres)
  • I'd advise doing your own due diligence but I'm a die hard believer in Indy and think others will grow to believe the same as time progresses. 
  • I'll send over some contacts you may find helpful now. Let me know if you have any questions or want to hop on a call! I'm sure Gloria or I will be able to help you through whatever you need here in Indy!
  • Good luck!

Post: Market Suggestions for good BRRRRs

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

@Nicholas L.

Not home runs but base hits for sure!

Post: Market Suggestions for good BRRRRs

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

@Dan Grove

Have to echo Gloria. Indy is of the safest and most straightforward markets in my opinion. Obviously we both have bias but I know I see beginners finding their footing here on a regular basis. Would recommend comparing it to other cities when doing your own due diligence but the more you look, the more you’ll find Indy is extremely well rounded. Always happy to chat through more specifics if needed, just let me know :)

Post: opening an LLC for short and long term rentals

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

@Ian Ortiz Santiago

Great question! I'm going to preface this by stating that it would likely be very beneficial to talk to accountants and attorneys in each of the locations you're thinking of creating your LLC. With that being said, I would assume having an LLC set up in the states would provide more protection. It may be worth looking into a Master Holdings LLC as well. I know of a few people that use them but haven't dug into the specifics.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. 

Best of luck!

Post: First Time Homebuyer 2 years ago - ready to invest, now what?

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39
Quote from @Alan Phan:
Quote from @Mike Gordon:

I only have LTRs so I can't give you much advice on STR, but here's some general advice on getting a first investment property that I wish I knew:

- Look in places where it's easier to rent, even if it costs a bit more. I have two homes in one city. One is in more of a suburban area and one in a more urban area of the city. The urban one rents more quickly and has a larger pool of qualified renters. The biggest cost isn't repairs, it's vacancies.

- I'd suggest not to go negative in cash flow. Start at even at least. You don't want to have to pay out of pocket each month when you only have 1 investment property.

- Consider paying a bit more for newer and nicer at first, it's easier to manage

- Managing your own property for LTR isn't that hard if it's within driving distance. For you, that could mean Las Vegas where values are dropping (depending on your goals)

- I'd suggest not buying your first investment in CA. It's a pretty tenant-friendly state. Not to say that it's bad to invest in CA - returns in CA can be really good but you have to be ready for the headaches. CA property never goes down over the long term so it might be good for a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th investment.

- If you can move out of your current home into a new one, that's a great way to build a portfolio - by leaving a trail of homes.

- Establish a conservative reserve fund at first. I would keep $10k in reserve for properties until I have accumulated enough to pool the reserve funds.

- I don't think you need an LLC at first for one or two investments. Buy insurance instead.

I own rentals in CA (Torrance), Tucson, and Louisville.


 Thanks for the info! 

- To not go into negative each month, that means i'll have to put a bigger down payment >10% to lower my monthly mortgage rate for the rental and increase the rent correct?

- What are your thoughts on turnkey properties/company thats out of state? 

- How did you start your first rental? 

 @Alan Phan To not go negative, You'll want to make sure your rental income more than covers your mortgage at a minimum. It's harder in some markets like California as you may have noticed, but in the midwest and other lower priced markets it is very attainable. I know here in Indy you won't have a problem finding something that cashflows. 

Turnkey is a great way to minimize risk, however you pay a premium for that which often comes at the expense of CoC return. With the right property it will be a GREAT first investment property as it should be relatively hands off after closing.

Investing out of state may seem scary as you won't be able to be there yourself as much however it typically comes with far more opportunities comparative to more expensive markets. The key with investing out of state is having a great team in place. People that lead with integrity and transparency will make all the difference. 

Good luck in your journey!

Post: Indianapolis Advice - Hold or sell?

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

Have to agree with @Corby Goade. It sounds like there isn't a perfect solution and it will ultimately be up to you to pick what fits best for you and your partner. I've outlined a potential situation that could make situation a little better.

I would recommend doing the renovations now and see what equity you can make from it. Maybe once it's done, refinance, or bring in another equity partner to get access to some liquidity to pay off your credit card debt (don't want to be paying high interest) or you could use that liquidity elsewhere to invest if that's what works best for you. Keep in mind you'll need to make the offer to a new partner enticing and your goal is to break even. So maybe you can give them all of the cashflow for the next year to buy in, you use that to pay off your cards, and then they are reduced back to their fair share after. It would be a longer payout for this but there are quite a few ways you could get creative with a new equity partner and I'm sure you could find a win-win solution. 

Looking forward to hear what comes of it! Let me know if you want to chat through some options!

Post: AI Intigration in Real Estate

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

Its role in real estate is too hyped. It will not replace humans in any shape or form, opendoor tried it, listing spark tried it, they are the two worst companies to deal with. 


Think there is some substantial validity in this, but do you think it could potentially be utilized in a different fashion? Personally, I'm incredibly ignorant on the subject compared to others, but find it fascinating. Like most service industries, there is nothing more important than the human touch as that is what people relate to and feel comfortable with. However, the relationship and efficiency of work can be supported with the use of new technology such as AI, can it not? 

Post: Boots on the ground

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

@Dillan Mamou

I have some contacts to help you out, DM me.

Post: Setting up a team in Indianapolis

John ClevengerPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

@Zeriet Woldeab

Great to see you doing due diligence to put in place a great team that works for you.

I am biased when it comes to property management, but personally trust @kennyhall to manage any and all of my investments. Leads with integrity and trust and expects the same with anyone he is working with.

If you’d like we can hop on a call and discuss the area and other PM options to make sure it’s a good fit.

Regardless, excited to see a new face interested in our city!