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All Forum Posts by: Joe Young

Joe Young has started 5 posts and replied 42 times.

Originally posted by @Diane G.:

Thank you to ALL of you for care to spend the time to share your thoughts...

I was not trying argue with anyone, just simply trying to get educated...

How are 3 people going to share 1 bathroom?  Seriously?

There are worse sacrifices people make when they don't have any money. A couple shouting matches before work every Monday and they'll be all set

Post: Ready to buy a Rental!

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Originally posted by @Nathan Cross:

Great to see that you are getting ready to jump in after some hands on with another investor. I would have to ask you what are your over all goal is with your future rental properties? Are you looking streakily for cash flow or appreciation? I ask this just to see if you gave it though about long game, as if you buy into C type areas in order to build passive income and get some reps in on your own rentals, before 1031 exchanging into bigger properties?  

I definitely would like the cash flow, but also don't want a building that will produce cash flow, never appreciate, have more issues that come with being a more damaged lower class property, and just be a potential headache until I pass it to another owner.  As much as I'd like to begin supplementing my income, one or even two C class buildings wouldn't be able to do that for me.  I think I'd rather sacrifice cash flow for nicer buildings that are more likely to appreciate long term and provide me with better tenants

Originally posted by @Diane G.:

@Jenni Utz - Maybe I am too weird for not wanting to rent to 3... Lol

SF law says 2 people per bedroom MAX... So technically, 3 would be fine... However, I dont see how 3 people are going to share 1 bathroom????

 Is there a specific reason you don't want three renters?  If anything, it costs them all less money and they will be more easily able to come up with the rent.  Either way, I stumbled on a fantastic, comprehensive post on the subject of tenant screening that will provide you with a lot of information.  

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/2013-01-27-tenant-screening

Edit:  I just saw that they are young, 20 year old up and coming professionals.  They are probably just trying to save some cash and live with their friends to take the step into adulthood together.  I'd go for it if everything else checks out.

Post: Ready to buy a Rental!

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Hey everyone, I believe I am now in a position to begin earning passive income.  I posted once before on the topic but now am really ready to move forward.  I have a few ideas and look forward to bouncing them off of all of you.  Seeing as there is no character limit to the post, let's start with some relevant and less relevant background!

I live with my wife and dog in the southwest suburbs of Chicago in a 2b2b condo that I purchased to begin our marriage.  I chose this property based on it having such great value for the area.  Anyone from Illinois understands the taxes here are a pain, so at a surprisingly low $1456 per year (with a first time home buyer exemption that I may have saved for a more permanent residence, not that I had the choice two years ago) and a purchase price of $110,000 with current value estimated around $125,000 in only two years, we started off on the right foot... I think.  Point being, we have managed to limit our housing expenses, build equity, and save enough to where we have $50,000 that we are ready to invest.

A friend of mine has been advising me up to this point who has done very well with rentals.  He has somewhere between 40 and 50 rental units in a number of 4 to 6 unit buildings.  Although I haven't taken this option off of the table, all of his buildings are class C properties which seem a bit less attractive to me.  I have helped him out at his buildings a few times and met a fair number of his tenants and although the strategy is working, the buildings are fairly run down, the grass is dead and overgrown in places, the parking lots are a bit rough, there is trash surrounding the dumpsters due to tenants that take no pride in living there, and it just doesn't feel like me.  I'm not sure I'd be happy seeing them every day and calling them mine or inviting people to live in them.  Not only that, but with a more run down building and lower income tenants, I feel like there will be more damages to the units, more frequent evictions, etc.  Am I making a mistake by putting less of a preference on this option?  The thought is that if I move up to B class, the money saved by less frequent repairs, fewer evictions, longer term tenants with no vacancy will outweigh the difference in predicted cap rate.  So the first two options are B class building, C class building, but what about a single unit?

The more I have studied real estate (just finished my pre-licensing course), the more it seems like a single unit would be a bad idea whereas before it seemed like the most attractive option to me. Given the rules and regulations that an HOA presents to homeowners, I feel like a bad tenant could really put me as the owner in a rough position. However, I also feel that I would have the benefit of starting out with just one tenant to get my feet wet, an HOA to take care of just about everything that I would have to do myself outside of a building otherwise (although it'll cut into my cash flow, but my time is valuable too!), and neighbors that are more commonly owners which, combined with the HOA, would keep the community looking much nicer and increase the desirability of the unit.

So that's where I'm at so far, choosing my first investment property between a C class building, or a B class building or unit (B class 4 unit is likely too expensive, so that might be out of the picture). An FHA loan for an owner occupied four unit building isn't an option either. My wife and I discussed it and don't wish to live in the same buildings as our tenants, especially in the event that it's a C class building.

I look forward to hearing what all of you might have to say, thank you for taking the time to read.

Bookmarked.  Great information to have, thank you!

Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

Interestingly enough......crops are emblements....they are personal property, not real property.  You typically retain the right to return and take the next harvest. 

 Just shocking that they would pay any mind to a backyard garden in a $500,000 deal.

Originally posted by @Mindy Jensen:

Negotiating a half million dollar home, where the backyard was described in detail in the listing as a selling point.

Listing agent comes back after we submit our offer with "oh, the sellers reserve their right to harvest the vegetables. They were really adamant about this." (No mention in the listing whatsoever, nor did she mention it when I called before writing the offer to ask what is most important.)

Me: Is this a one-time harvest?

LA: Oh, they wouldn't be able to get everything in one time, they'd come back multiple times during the summer and fall - but only this year.

Me: OK, can we get some guidance about this? 

LA: They accepted the other offer because that buyer didn't ask about the harvest.

What is the silliest reason your offer wasn't accepted?

Are you sure you didn't mean a $500,000 farm?  That had better be one impressive garden to add the encumbrance.  Hilarious

Post: First Investment Purchase

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Hey everyone,

I'm looking to purchase my first investment property.  I'm from the southwest suburbs of Chicago and have a few known options, and I'm sure a few unknown options.  I just purchased a 2b2b condo in December of 2017 and have been paying that down on schedule, not much extra.  In order to house hack, my girlfriend (now wife) and I picked up a roommate.  His rent payment covers our mortgage so we have been able to save our finances rather rapidly.  We have up to 30k at the moment that we are willing to invest in order to preserve a healthy cushion of 'just in case' money.  

Now, here are the options...

In a southern suburb of Chicago (not a HORRIBLE one, but D or C class for sure) called Lansing, there are a couple of 1b1b condos available for purchase at around 40k, most others start at 50 or 55k. Nothing seems wrong with them, the HOA payment is low and taxes are low. With a conventional loan, this seems like a viable option and I've already done an analysis of the property. With 20% down, it would likely produce around $200 positive cash flow right off the bat.

Alternatively, we were thinking of purchasing a 4 unit building and using an FHA loan in that same area. There is one 4 unit in particular that I was looking at that is listed at 260,000, I imagine I'd close around 220,000 considering the time it has been on the market. Instead of 1b1b like the 40k units, these are all 2b1b units except for the master which is 3b2b. We don't particularly want to live there, but I am wondering if the sacrifice would be worth it. If we were to go this route, would I be able to change my mailing address to this location and not occupy one of the units and "live there" on paper? Is this legal? I figure I'm already renting out the 2nd bedroom in our current home and covering the mortgage, so if I make 0 income on the 4th unit in order to obtain the FHA loan, it's somewhat of a wash since our current mortgage is paid. It is absolutely worth mentioning that I CAN NOT rent out our current condo entirely. Room rent is acceptable, but I must live on the premises. Otherwise, I'd just pick up a family and raise the rent, then moving to the 4 unit after purchase.

Looking for advice overall, experience with D or C class housing, alternative routes (specifically rentals, not interested in wholesale or rehab)

Originally posted by @Alvin Sylvain:

@Drayden Morgan

Quick questions: are they paying late CONSISTENTLY -- are they paying late fees CONSISTENTLY -- are they paying IN FULL, including late fees, but just late?

Coz I'm thinking if that's the case, maybe just consider it extra income?

If you're uncomfortable with that arrangement (particularly threatening eviction each and every month), maybe all they need is a reminder a week or so early. Maybe (just maybe) they're using your eviction notice as a reminder?

Just thinking out loud -- dangerous, I know --

 Hah, I didn't even get to the bottom of the thread yet and posted essentially the same thing.  

Originally posted by @Drayden Morgan:

@Greg H. The property is located in North Carolina. The way North Carolina’s eviction process is set up you post a notice to quit the day after rent is considered late. Then you must wait 10 days before you file for an eviction. From that point it takes about 14 days before you show to court and as long as they pay before the court date they can stay in the house.

So I’m charging a late fee and also posting notice to quit but I can’t get the tenant to pay on time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounded above like you said they are habitually PAYING you two to three weeks late.  On top of that issue, you are also charging a late fee every month.  If they are paying the rent and the late fee, as long as they continue to pay, I'd be alright with it.  Instead of 850/mo you're getting 900. 

But no, as it is clear now to you I'm sure, you can't just keep the security deposit because you feel like they are causing a stressful situation for you.  If you make up your own rules, you could be subject to a lawsuit.  Study.