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All Forum Posts by: Joe Young

Joe Young has started 5 posts and replied 42 times.

Hi Dasha,

Very cool to see someone 16 years old on the BiggerPockets forum with an interest in professional life and investing time into their future rather than endlessly scrolling through social media videos!  Now that we've established I'm a curmudgeon, let's talk about Real Estate!

The biggest obstacle to overcome by far, is not so much that you need to find clients (although believe me, that's also difficult and is a constant effort until you're able to rely on referrals from past clients), but the customers you interact with need to trust you with their largest asset as a seller, and for one of the largest purchases they will make in their lives as a buyer.  The difficulty there for you and for them is mutual trust and confidence.  How can you expect someone to trust you with this enormous asset/purchase without having any experience?  That's where I think you nailed it.  The best thing you can do for yourself (and most brokerages may actually require this, I'm sure it varies by state), is to shadow another agent and put yourself in a position where you can learn as an assistant.  That way you can truly learn the business by observing others, and bring all of that knowledge with you to your first listing appointment or buyer meeting!  When it comes time to obtain your license, perhaps you will have a mentor for your first couple of deals that you can go to with all of your questions (my brokerage requires this for the first 3 transactions).  Someone who can work closely with you on your first few deals until you get going.  

This profession can be tough, especially when starting out for reasons mentioned above, but it is also extremely rewarding, fun, and allows you the freedom to live life the way that you want to live it rather than sitting in a cubicle being yelled at by 4 different bosses about a deadline.  

I worked in Management for 10 years out of college, and the last 2 years of my Management career I was working as a part time Realtor, building the foundation for my career before jumping in full time.  This was to ensure that I was able to supplement my income and allow for a smooth transition.  Although I wouldn't recommend a 10 year career professional to dive head first into Real Estate and quit their job on a whim, you're in a position where you have your entire life in front of you and likely have yet to incur debts that need to be paid and other real world expenses.  

If you happen to be in Illinois, I'd be happy to connect you with resources that can help start your journey.  If not, I'm sure there's an agent in here from every state who can help point you in the right direction!

Post: Help I'm left with a house!

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I would coordinate with a Realtor and have them conduct a CMA to determine the home's market value, maybe even meet with a couple of agents so you can average their pricing opinions and have a reliable sale figure to work with. The agent's main goal is to get you to sign a listing agreement, but I wouldn't do that until you're sure you want to move forward. Just let them know you're interviewing a couple of agents and deciding if you want to move forward. After that, meet with a real estate attorney and have them conduct a seller's net sheet based on the recommended list price from the CMAs. Most agents will be able to provide you with a seller's net sheet (explains how much money you'll walk away with when everything is said and done), but in your situation I believe an attorney would be more knowledgeable about all of the fees involved in your unique situation and could provide more accurate figures. Some agents or attorneys may not want to volunteer their time without being sure they're going to get paid, but everyone wants your business and some will be willing to prove their value by offering some of their time to earn it.

When that's all done, you'll have a good idea of what the property will sell for and how much you'll walk away with.  At that point you can determine whether or not it makes sense for you to sell.

P.S. I also agree with what others have said, I would not sign up for rehab or renting unless you are willing to put in the time to educate yourself on what is truly involved in either or both of those.

Post: Aspiring Real Estate Agent

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When you are asked how many sqft are in one acre, just remember, 4 old ladies going 35 in a 60.

Quote from @Donny Frusciante:
Quote from @John Morgan:
Quote from @Donny Frusciante:
Quote from @John Morgan:

@Donny Frusciante

If you want to build some serious wealth, I'd take that 160k and buy as many cash flowing SFH below the median price with 20% down as you can. You will generate a ton of cash flow and RE appreciates 5%/year historically. But you reap the rewards with 100% of that appreciation with only 20% down. Not to mention your tenants are paying off your mortgages and the gains are all tax free due to write offs. You'll be set in 5-10 years. Good luck!


 Thanks for this...do you have any tips of finding these type of properties besides me just browsing on Redfin, Zillow, etc. Houses around me aren't going super cheap, unless they are run down or not desirable.

I’ve bought 14 houses off Zillow. Some in good condition and some in bad. I’ve bought a few off market. And one from a wholesaler. Rehabs end up going WAY over budget most times and it’s a hassle trying to find good contractors and make sure everything goes good. I prefer to buy homes that don’t need much. Maybe 10k or less to get them rent ready. And I target working class neighborhoods. I don’t care about school districts or the fact that everyone’s front lawns look like weeds mowed over. These people are low maintenance and just want a place to live. Plus they appreciate more since builders stopped building starter homes for 15 years or so in most places. These rentals are in highest demand in good times and bad. So I’ve been able to raise my rents quite a bit over time. And my turnovers are zero. None of these people can afford to buy or qualify for a home. So that saves me a ton of $. They’ll be with me forever. Lol 

another noobie question... I've only ever owned one loan at a time and I figured I'd never be able to own more than one home given I already have one home loan outstanding, and I wasn't sure if my gross take-home pay of 190k/year would be enough for a loan company to want to give me another loan. Is that not the case??


 Every lender is different and I am not a lender, so you'd have to speak to yours for clarity, but I am able to use 75% of the projected rental income on a property as reported earnings in order to qualify for a larger loan or another loan. 

Post: Help Me Solve Analysis Paralysis

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Hey BP,

I have long been looking into Real Estate investing and even obtained my Real Estate license to help my wife and I on our investing journey.  I listen to the BP podcast regularly, analyze a couple of properties per week, and have saved up $100,000.  The only problem I seem to be having now is simply pulling the trigger.  This is mainly because I am unsure of what cap rate I should be looking to obtain, and how much monthly cash flow makes the deal worth it.   

Most of the properties I have analyzed are in B class areas, and I can't seem to reach a 10% cap rate no matter how many deals I analyze (I have previously been told that without a 10% cap rate I shouldn't close the deal, but I can only find that in C or D class areas), but I am seeing monthly cash flow on properties anywhere between $200 and $375 per month.  We were originally looking at condos, but HOAs have been destroying the deals, so we have now started analyzing single family homes between $180,000 and $250,000.  

My question is what cap rate are you willing to accept on a deal, and how much monthly cash flow gives you the green light?  Thank you for reading and I look forward to discussing.

Originally posted by @Eric J Reuther:

I agree that if you expect higher inflation, buying real estate at low interest rates is a fantastic investment, because your rent and equity will increase faster, but your mortgage payment will stay the same.  However, it does seem to me like there is a price bubble right now because people don't want to sell their house during the pandemic.  Don't you think prices will come down at least a little once things return to normal and the eviction and foreclosure moratorium ends?  

I am under the impression that when people begin to settle down about covid, those who were waiting to list will then do so, causing a much higher supply in the market and driving prices down to some degree due to decreased competition.  The low interest rates have a lot more buyers in the market, but as a unique result of covid, not nearly the supply to fuel that demand which is causing prices to increase and homes to sell in under 24 hours.  

That being said, interest rates are still low and it's still a good time to buy.  You might pay a bit more, sure, but you can speculate about the future forever and you never really know what's going to happen.  Just my opinion.

I was almost waiting for the end to read, "you're much better off renting one of these 17 properties" which are all owned by the author.

A truly inspirational story, thanks for the read!

Post: First Investment Purchase?

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Originally posted by @Paul De Luca:
Originally posted by @Joe Young:
Originally posted by @Paul De Luca:
Originally posted by @Joe Young:
Originally posted by @Paul De Luca:

@Joe Young

  1. Is this multi-family?
  2. What market are you in? The cap rate makes me think it's an A class neighborhood.
  3. What is included in "Other Cost"? I don't see utilities broken out so I will assume that's included but that seems like a pretty large expense.
  4. What is the age of all the CapEx? Condition of the roof, mechanicals, siding, etc are important.

Take what the seller and listing agent are saying about the repairs & maintenance and tenants. You need to do your own due diligence by getting an inspection and request deposit/collection statements of tenant rents in the past 12 months. You'll want an attorney to review all of the tenant leases as well.

Hey Paul, thanks for taking the time.  

It is a 4 unit building in an A class area, but sort of the B class section, if that makes sense. 

The other expenses include $3600 for water, $4021 for fuel, $2650 for trash, and $1050 listed as "other" on the MLS. Tenants pay rent and electricity.

It is written that the unit was Rehabbed in 2019, but as for the specifics such as the roof, I can't be certain without following up.  Concrete foundation, asphalt/shingle roof, that's all I have.
 

If rehabbed in 2019 then it will require minimal maintenance and it looks like you've budgeted accordingly. Are those utility estimates from the seller?

That's correct, all information is provided by seller

Seems like you should hold out for something better then, based on your numbers. 

 I appreciate the insight Paul, that was my gut feeling as well.  Buildings are not available often in the area so I wanted to hear someone else's thoughts.  

Post: First Investment Purchase?

Joe YoungPosted
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Originally posted by @Paul De Luca:
Originally posted by @Joe Young:
Originally posted by @Paul De Luca:

@Joe Young

  1. Is this multi-family?
  2. What market are you in? The cap rate makes me think it's an A class neighborhood.
  3. What is included in "Other Cost"? I don't see utilities broken out so I will assume that's included but that seems like a pretty large expense.
  4. What is the age of all the CapEx? Condition of the roof, mechanicals, siding, etc are important.

Take what the seller and listing agent are saying about the repairs & maintenance and tenants. You need to do your own due diligence by getting an inspection and request deposit/collection statements of tenant rents in the past 12 months. You'll want an attorney to review all of the tenant leases as well.

Hey Paul, thanks for taking the time.  

It is a 4 unit building in an A class area, but sort of the B class section, if that makes sense. 

The other expenses include $3600 for water, $4021 for fuel, $2650 for trash, and $1050 listed as "other" on the MLS. Tenants pay rent and electricity.

It is written that the unit was Rehabbed in 2019, but as for the specifics such as the roof, I can't be certain without following up.  Concrete foundation, asphalt/shingle roof, that's all I have.
 

If rehabbed in 2019 then it will require minimal maintenance and it looks like you've budgeted accordingly. Are those utility estimates from the seller?

That's correct, all information is provided by seller