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All Forum Posts by: Joe Vesey

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Post: Selling rental 1031 and buying personal residence

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Quote from @Narendra Patel:

Is it possible to sell rental using 1031 exchange and buy new property for personal residence ,I had lived in previous property for 2 years and then rented it out for last 10 yrs.


 No.  Your replacement property needs to be held for investment or associated with your trade or business.  You cannot exchange into your primary residence as it is not considered "like kind."  Some exchanger's exchange into a property, rent it out for several years, and then, AFTER CONSULTING with their tax advisor, convert that into their primary residence.  

Post: RE CPA You have worked with in Minneapolis/ ST Paul

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Call Tom Mould at Valley Accounting & Tax.  He is in Apple Valley and knows real estate well.  

Phone: (952) 432-3140
[email protected]

Post: Looking for a Mentor - willing to pay or take to lunch/coffee.

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You should attend the MN Real Estate Exchangers meeting.  We meet twice a month at Hellmuth & Johnson law firm in BLoomington/Edina.  Lots of good connections to be made there.  

Post: 1031 exchange financing

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You have 45 days to identify your replacement property(ies), and day 1 is the day after you close on your relinquished property.  You have a total of 180 days (again starting on the day after you close on relinquished) to close on your replacement property(ies),  not "an additional 180 days."  If you have a failed exchange then you will owe both State & Federal capital gains taxes, as well as depreciation recapture tax.  

Post: CPA Recommendations please and thank you!

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Brandon Hall has a team of CPA's throughout the U.S.  They know real estate.  You can find them on LinkedIn.  Good luck. 

Post: Have you considered a 721 Exchange rather than a 1031?

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Quote from @Scott Mac:

Can an investor sell for instance 8 single family homes and two triple plexes, and use that money to buy into a syndication that is being formed to purchase a 120 unit apartment complex?

1. Is there a window in which the SFH''s and The Triplexes must be sold in. Such as one year, or 90 days, or in one single transaction?

2. What is the window of time for the replacement sale to close, and get the tax break.

3. Can the seller take some personal money out of the deal such as $300,000 out of 2 million, pay whatever tax on the 300,000, and then shelter the rest under this program with a repurchase? Or must All of the Sales profits be steered into a new purchase?

4. Is there a minimum hold Time for the properties to be sold, or can they be purchased the day before the sale and included in the tax shelter?

5. Are the fees to make this shelter happen comparable to the fees for a 1031 exchange, or is there some shark in there that will jump up and bite you when you do it?

6. Is there some type of insurance on the cash proceeds from the sale of the properties, until it is used to purchase the tax shelter stuff? To prevent the holder from running off to Timbuktu with all of the money?

7. Can the seller sell single family homes, and small multifamily fourplex and less, and use that money to buy into a syndication As either a GP or an LP, or neither?

8. If the seller fails to purchase into another investment, is there a penalty from the government in addition to what it would have cost had the seller not tried to set this program up and then either failed or pulled out of it?

9. Can you give us a quick breakdown on how this service is priced, or are they individually bid depending upon their complexity or something else?

10. Is there any requirement that all of the sold real estate and or the purchase of the tax shelter be in one state, or can they be in any of the 50 states spread out?

My questions above are mainly aimed at jumping from SFH's and two through four plexes into owning Part of a syndication aimed at buying 100 plus unit multifamily complexes, either as a GP share, or an LP share.

Scott, 
Some syndications will allow you to buy in as a tenant in common (which would work for a 1031 exchange).  You could not utilize a 1031 exchange and use the proceeds to buy in as an LP (as partnership interests are specifically excluded from being like kind in an exchange).  A DST or a DST into a 721 UPREIT may be other options for you depending upon your situation.  Shoot me a note if you'd like to discuss further.  

Post: Have you considered a 721 Exchange rather than a 1031?

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Quote from @Julio Gonzalez:

Many people are aware of a 1031 exchange, however if they are looking to exit their active real estate portfolio, it's not always the solution they are looking for. If you are wanting to sell your real estate property, but are worried about paying taxes on the capital gains, a great strategy to consider is a 721 Exchange. Section 721 of the Internal Revenue code allows an investor to exchange property held for investment or business purposes for shares in a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) or an Operating Partnership without triggering a taxable event.

Many investors are aware of a 1031 Exchange where an investor must find a replacement property to defer capital gains taxes on the property that was sold. Section 721 differs in that it allows investors to sell their real estate property without finding a replacement property. This type of exchange provides investors with a way of increasing liquidity and diversification of their real estate investments, while deferring very costly capital gains and depreciation recapture taxes that may result from the sale of properties. A 721 Exchange is a great investment tool for real estate investors that are looking for diversification, tax-deferral or estate planning.

Investors can contribute the funds from a property that has already been sold into a 721 Operating Company and receive Operating Partnership Units (OPU) or they can also sell the property directly to the Operating Company in exchange for OPUs.

There are many benefits associated with a 721 Exchange. Here are a few below.

  • Tax Deferral: Deferring the taxable income from the sale of their real estate property.
  • Consistent Income: Operating Partnerships can issue dividends or distributions so that the investor has cash flow.
  • Portfolio Diversification: Enables the investor to achieve diversification across geography, industry, tenant and asset class in an Operating Partnership structure. The investor is no longer dependent on just one asset to provide cash flow and appreciation.
  • Estate Planning: This is a great estate planning tool to utilize when preparing an investors real estate asset to be passed down to their heirs. Instead of real estate assets, their heirs can receive easily divisible shares in the Operating Partnership that can be much more easily liquidated upon passing of the estate. The heirs can choose to hold their shares and receive dividends or sell them.
  • Passive: Allows investors to trade an actively managed real estate asset for a passive investment in an Operating Company that is typically run by an institutional asset management firm.

Have you heard of a 721 exchange before? If not, what questions can I answer for you?


You are not able to place funds from the sale directly into OP units of a REIT. There is a 2 step process that would allow the investor to eventually end up with OP units of the REIT - it typically include investing into a DST or a tenant in common deal, and then later, typically 2-3 years, the shares of the DST are converted to OP units.

Post: Installment sale and depreciation recapture - example given

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Quote from @Melanie P.:
Quote from @Bruce Reeves:
Quote from @Melanie P.:

You wouldn't have 10 years depreciation in the first year of ownership.

Depreciation is calculated on the value of the improvements only, land is not depreciable, so you wouldn't depreciate from the full purchase price ever as real estate sales generally include land and improvements.

I'm not following your response. The example show ten years of deprecation totaling $254,545.50. But I'm not concerned with that. I am looking for feedback on the first year tax liability of depreciation recapture of $61,362.62 with an installment sale.


 Sorry I misunderstood your terminology the first time I read it. You will calculate the correct amount of depreciation recapture by removing the cost of the land from how you calculated above and taking 10 years. If you do an installment sale you will pay in the first year and subsequent years the pro rata depreciation recaptured through installment sale income reported on Form 6252. It's impossible to calculate without knowing all the terms of the deal you're trying to make. 

Better options are to leave it to someone or to do a 1031 exchange, which you can do just for the recapture. You don't have to put the capital gain or the undepreciated principal into other real estate.

It is my understanding that capital gains taxes can be spread out over the life of the note, but that depreciation recapture taxes cannot.  Plus, I would thoroughly investigate trying to utilize a 1031 exchange as it can be challenging if you are using seller financing.  @Dave Foster can provide additional insight on the exchange options.  

Post: Installment sale and depreciation recapture - example given

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I think you are overestimating the amount of depreciation as you need to deduct the land from the $400k original purchase price.  Plus, I think you would just calculate the amount of depreciation that is taken over the time of ownership (in your example above - $14,545 x 10 = $145,4500)  25% of that is still significant, but much less than your original calculations.  I am not a CPA and please do not consider this tax advice.  

Post: Guidance needed - failing short term property looking to 1031 exchange it

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Hello!

I assist 1031 exchange clients in finding passive investment solutions.  There are a lot of effective options currently available that can provide consistent cash flow.  May be worth a quick discussion to see if it is a fit for your situation.  Please let me know if I can assist.