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All Forum Posts by: Joe Splitrock

Joe Splitrock has started 73 posts and replied 9761 times.

Post: Interest rate hikes - buy now or later?

Joe Splitrock
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Quote from @James Hamling:

@Stephanie Mccolaugh the entire talk and consideration people are having today on what should one do because of the interest rate stepping up, to be honest, is laughable. 

Why is it laughable? Because we are talking going from insanely low interest rates too really low interest rates. Or "oh my gosh" what if the interest rates go all the way up to normalized levels. Yeah, it's just ridiculous talk, yet again driven by those who produce content for income and thus they need to constantly have something of shock to sell and doom & gloom sells like hot-cakes, so it's all about finding any way to sell the fear. 

Talk with investors from the 80's, they laugh, hard, when asking about interest rate impact. Generally the statement is being it up when it actually matters, like 8%+. They will have stories of what it was like in a 14+ environment, and guess what, they sky didn't fall then either. 

But hey, who am I to interrupt someone's panic induced melt-down, right, someone's gotta support Zoloft sales cause it sure ain't me. 

To answer, what approach am I and my investors taking with impending interest rate hikes, which are measured in fractions of a percentage? We change our analysis numbers from 4.5% too 4.75% on origination interest rate. Seriously, that's the grand total impact of it for us. AND we are buying every good deal we can get our hand's on. 

How about this counter item, what are you doing about the impact of the appreciation rate of rents? Or the profitable margin between the two (interest rate vs rental rate incomes). 

For those waiting for median home prices to go down, lol, hope ya got a few decades handy for that because your gonna need it. Look, I can site a multitude of data based reasons for this but let's take the simplest of them all, inflation. Inflation alone is now coming home to roost AND by every law of economics it does not happen quickly, this is a cycle thing, 4X to be exact, before stability is realized or I should say CAN be realized. So this is the beginning of the beginning for inflation. We are starting to see cycle 2 kicking off for inflation and that is when it is first realized in wages inflation. Now as wages have to increase guess what that does to the cost of goods, yup, they go up MORE. And this cycles goes in waves until things start to settle. And that is if we don't have a few trillion more dumped into existence which so far it seems like it's a spending spree. 

And if anyone wants to talk about BIG interest rate increases, well just do some simple math and answer at what interest rate % the U.S. debt becomes immediately unserviceable, because that's the cap on interest rates folks, unless a Dollar Default seems a good idea. And you may be shocked to find how small that # is for a hard cap, it's far FAR lower then rates of the 80's. So we are either in this world of inflation too address inflation, letting inflation run, or end the dollar. 

So yeah, what is there to wait for? Higher prices?


 100% agree. I bought my first home in 1999 and we locked into 7 7/8th interest rate. We were super excited because we locked in under 8% at a time when rates were moving up. Up until ten years ago, the 30 year mortgage was never below 5%. It was only after the housing crash and the Feds efforts to stimulate real estate that we landed in these ridiculously low rates. So rates today are actually good if you view them in a 20 year perspective and excellent if you view them in a 50 year perspective. Instead people are comparing today to rates during a housing crash and during a global pandemic. That is not a realistic comparison for "good", but it does show what will happen our economy goes bad. You can predict interest rate stimulation from the Fed. 

Post: Getting Loans with no income??

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I am surprised you are able to close on a personal residence without being employed. I am assuming you have investment income? If not then how are you getting your current mortgage?

Post: Bookkeeping Issues with 24 doors and 6 active rehabs...help!

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@Daniel Murray every receipt should have an explanation of the purpose of the expense unless totally obvious. I agree with @Markus Shobe that questions should be consolidated to once a month or even week, but not every day. A good bookkeeper should be able to figure out some of this out, but you need to explain expenses too. Imagine in your day job if you submitted an expense report for reimbursement without any explanation of expenses. Someone would have questions. No different here.

Our process is that every receipt gets logged in a spreadsheet with explanation and property the expense goes against. Another option is write the purpose of the expense on the back of the receipt when you receive it. You need a system to document purpose and your bookkeeper can categorize and log it from there.

Post: Cost Segregation on a Personal to Rental Conversion

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Good question. When converting a personal home to rental, the basis will be purchase price plus (documented) improvements. I don't think you would ever want to use FMV, even if values dropped in your market, because it just means lower basis. Higher basis is good because it means more depreciation and less gain when you sell.

As far as how to handle carpet and appliances, I would just depreciate those on their 5 year schedule or bonus depreciate if available at the time. (Bonus depreciation is phasing out after 2022 tax year.) Technically you are supposed to add to basis, but then you would be spending money on a cost segregation study to separate out. That is lots of extra work when you can just put the property "in service" a couple weeks early and the expense is valid. I would not recommend this for a full rehab, but for carpets and appliances, no issue. I advertise properties that are waiting on carpet or appliances all the time. They are "in service" because someone could move in with old carpet and old appliances. If you are missing walls, missing a bathroom, etc. that is not reasonable to say "in service". 

Also be aware that bonus depreciation is accelerating depreciation. That means when you sell prior to regular depreciation schedule, there is more depreciation to recapture and be taxed on. There are strategies to delay using like kind exchange, but that still transfers basis. You are basically rolling a tax snowball down hill and it keeps getting bigger and bigger. I am just saying this so you are not surprised in the future.

Post: Partnering on a FHA home hack?

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Quote from @Montavius Jones:

My business partner and I are looking to do our first deal together. We are looking for a duplex or triplex that would be owner occupied by one of us. Some lenders we've talked to are saying we'd both have to live there in order to use FHA. Is this true? Is there a work around?

Or is there another financing strategy we could use so that we are both on a low down payment loan?


FHA is a program to help people achieve home ownership. That means owner occupants. It is not a program for investors. You mention business and partner, which is an investing business and not the intent of FHA. Do the deal yourself or consider other routes of financing.

Post: Help!!! Would you rent to friends or family?

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Did you accept free help from your friends dad for the rehab work or did you pay him? Free help means you owe him one, unless you are a selfish. If you paid for his help, then you owe him nothing. 

In general it is a bad idea to rent to friends and family. Things go wrong and then you are stuck. If they stop paying or trash your place, you have the choice of going after them legally, but you lose your best friend. No matter what your friend says now, when the sh1t hits the fan, he will expect you to put up with his parents crap and hold it against you if you don't. Just say, sorry I have a firm policy on not renting to friends or family. I value personal relationships too much.

Post: Interest rate hikes - buy now or later?

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Buy now without paying points to pay down rate and refinance in the future. Anyone who purchased in the 70's, 80's just refinanced when rates came down. I purchased in 2018 for 4.8% and refinanced into 2.89% last year. Again, don't pay down the rate with extra points. Paying points is rarely a good idea, because it is a sunk cost. Rates will come down in the future, because it is how the Fed manipulates the economy. When (not if) we enter a recession and housing slows down, they will stimulate with lower rates. That may be a year from now or three from now, who knows. Just make sure the investment today covers the payment. Between rent appreciation and future refinancing, you will come out fine in the long run. 

The reason you don't want to wait for rates to come down is because prices will be higher and you will lose any benefit of waiting. 

Post: Struggling to Fund Constant Repairs

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My tenants just put a sheet up at the stairwell to block heat from going upstairs or they put a space heater in a drafty room. It sounds like your damper solution was overkill. For $3000 that is the cost to do substantial rerouting of air ducts and installing a damper system.

As far as repairs, that is the responsibility of a landlord. Just make sure you are differentiating repairs from improvements. Repairs fix broken things, but don't make them operate better than new. Improvements make something new again or better than new or they add completely new capabilities. 

Repairs are usually not a choice and that is why you need reserves to cover these expenses. I am sure you heard the term reserves and know that you need a cash buffer Did you underestimate rehab costs or just not plan properly for reserves?

Post: I own the business and the building (2 LLCs)

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I would charge on the higher end of fair market, but within the going rates for the area. That way you are running your businesses clean and separate. If you choose to sell the building, it has a history of solid rents. If you choose to sell the business, it has a history of paying market rents, so if someone tried to move it elsewhere, the numbers would be about the same. This is also good if you seek financing for your business or property. You want the numbers to be reasonable and supported by comparables. Tax treatment is fairly neutral here. Even if you shifted a few dollars, it isn't going to be enough to make a significant difference.

Post: Property Managers Mismanagement

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@Margaret Essien 

1. Should have questioned this every year. Nothing can be done now.

2. Should have been better communication by the property manager, but it sounds like they handled the eviction. Given COVID restrictions, this seems like a reasonable time period.

3. This is unfortunate but in an eviction situation it is common. You could pursue tenant for damages in court, but that is likely a waste of time.

4. Assuming the property manager asked for the $900 in writing specifically for junk removal, this could be considered fraudulent use of funds. You could sue the PM in small claims court for the $700. 

5. See response 4.

6. It seems they breached the contract, but you are really better off without them at this point. Hire a new PM and move on.

There is not a lot that can be done here. Possibly recovering that $700 is the best case. I would first focus efforts on finding a new PM and getting the unit rerented. Only after a new PM is in place, would I spend any effort going after the old one.