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All Forum Posts by: Joe R.

Joe R. has started 2 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: First time with new construction: Cape Coral, FL

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Stephen Smith:

You are correct, this can happen, however, if your application is full and complete this is an expectation.  Also, if you know the supervisor to speak to when you get an issue, this helps ;-)

With private provider plan review, this is indeed an option, and the building department is required to reduce the permit fee.  I find this option best if you are on a tight time frame and need to save a couple of weeks.  I wish the Department of Health would accept private provider plan reviews for septic tank permits.  They are currently 10 weeks, and required before you can make a permit application for a house.


 Good luck with a perfectly complete application that makes it by them on the first pass! It's a lot of back and forth, inevitably, and this is why its taking so long.  I've never waited 10 weeks for septic approvals on any of my Cape builds.  

Post: First time with new construction: Cape Coral, FL

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Stephen Smith:

Hi Joe,

Here is a link to the Florida statute regarding a local building department issuing permits within 30 working days.  I also enclose below the text of the relevant section for ease.

https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2020/553.79

QUOTE

(14) A building permit for a single-family residential dwelling must be issued within 30 working days of application therefor unless unusual circumstances require a longer time for processing the application or unless the permit application fails to satisfy the Florida Building Code or the enforcing agency’s laws or ordinances.

UNQUOTE

The previous link to the City of Cape Coral citizens portal lets individuals see permit details for a specific property address, the progress with applications, and if not using a private provider the status of inspections.  Building departments are obligated to provide these services online.

You can also see code compliance issues using the same search facility.

Hope this helps,

Steve

So, what I find they're doing in the Cape, is they will pick on something very minor within the permit package, to send it back to you/say its not a complete package, and the clock restarts while you have to go fix it.  I've just went through this with 4 builds this year, and this is what they do to work around this.  They generally have out of college/construction unseasoned folks doing the paper permit reviews from what I've seen based on the comments that come back.  Private is an option too, but again, a pay for service on top of the permit fees, etc.  

Post: First time with new construction: Cape Coral, FL

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Stephen Smith:

 It has been a learning experience, for sure.  I will say, the city of Cape Coral's permitting was painfully backed up at the time, and then they shifted to a new system which caused other delays.  Still not 100% sure what I will do at the end of this (we are a long, long way from the 3.5% rates and hot, hot sellers market of December 2021/Jan 2022 when I started looking into this).  I am hoping a small profit is still on the table, but time will tell.


If anybody tells you the delays are due to permitting within the City of Cape Coral, I would argue you are being misadvised.  Florida statute is clear, upon receipt of a valid permit application, the building department must issue the permit or deny it with valid reason within 30 business days.  For every day after the 30-days, the permit fee is reduced by 10% of the permit fee.  Hurricane Ian did delay things slightly, but we are not talking about long delays.  Also, private provider plan review is an option and reduces the lead time for getting a permit.

You can check the status of your permit applications using the City of Cape Coral web portal, link below.
https://energovweb.capecoral.gov/EnerGovProd/selfservice#/ho...

Stephen, When I open the link to the Cape Coral site, its just to the Citizens shared services page.  Is there a specific link to the 30 day review timeline and the implications if they don't review it in time (State or via Cape Coral sites)? 

Post: First time with new construction: Cape Coral, FL

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Peter Davis:

@Don M.and @Joe R. I'm glad to see you're both nearing the finish line. The last lap can be frustratingly long I'm finding, but you'll get there. On the sell-side, I'm seeing a big influx of buyers coming from Miami to buy new construction in Cape Coral. Three of my pending contracts right now are buyers from there. 

Don, I'm going to sell this first round of builds. Glad you're moving.  

Peter, There is a price out going on in Miami, and there is definitely an influx to Lehigh/North Ft Myers and Cape Coral from this area.  I'll have one ready in July '24 if you have buyers.  

Newly built homes are still selling well it seems, the older inventory buyers seem a bit more discerning over and are fussier on the price.  

Post: First time with new construction: Cape Coral, FL

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Don M.:
Quote from @Joe R.:

You're almost there, Don Miller.  I'm rooting for this to be wrapped up! 


 Thanks Joe!
Are your projects at about completion?  I know we were at about the same point for a little while, although I think you started the process about a year after I did with another builder.


 The first build is about 2-3 weeks away from CO.  We're awaiting culvert inspection so they can finish the site grading, driveway, entrance way and landscaping.  They're doing the backsplash and electrical + plumbing finishes now.  Tile done, trim done, final painting happening as well.  I did a punch last week with the builder.  

I'm on the move, will share a few pics when I get back to my PC.  

Post: First time with new construction: Cape Coral, FL

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34

You're almost there, Don Miller.  I'm rooting for this to be wrapped up! 

Post: Why do some investors allow unpermitted work?

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Elise Bickel Tauber:
Quote from @Kevin S.:
Quote from @Elise Bickel Tauber:

This is a question of area and what is being done. For anything cosmetic (paint, flooring, kitchen cabinets, etc) you dont need a permit. And most boros around Pittsburgh don't even have an option to pull for that. When it comes to anything major like electrical, plumbing, or structural...I think you need a permit. And I know it eats up time, but honestly, those are big things. Switching out a toilet, no you dont need a permit (imo). Running new plumbing lines to a house. Yes. The answer as to why homeowners or investors choose to do unpermitted work is both time and money. It has to be done by the books. The construction company my husband and I own have a city license which is required to get a permit in the city of Pittsburgh. It is a pain in the *** to get and not cheap. The extra insurances we need to hold, bonds, etc. But, we do a lot of work in the city so it's worth it. 

I will also tell a cautionary tell. My client was selling a duplex in the city and when they went to sell, they found out that the guy they bought it from did a whole bunch of unpermitted work and the inspector prior to the current one was his buddy and let it pass. Well now my client had to rip out all that work and re-do it with the correct permits of the city wouldn't release the lien letters. It cost my client tens of thousands of dollars. I say just do it right the first time!


 Wasn't this part of the inspection done at the time of purchase of the property by your client?  


 The work was done right and passed inspection, but the code guy made them rip it out and redo it because it was done prior to a permit being pulled. Then it all had to be re-done. I've never come across that situation in 20 years of doing this.


I heard PA cities has pretty strict code enforcement right ? 


 In Mercer County (just north of Pittsburgh), they are very lax about permitting and city involvement in renovations.  

Post: Why do some investors allow unpermitted work?

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Sophia Boro:

There are obvious benefits to acquiring properties that have permitted work, but I want to see if anyone can explain why some folks allow unpermitted work. My curiosity includes how timeframes are affected, the listing price of the home, quality of work etc. 


Anyone have any insight?

Sophia, There is uneven and varying building code by each state, along with differing compliance stances and enforcement for permitting.  

I recently installed a high efficiency hot water heater and furnace in a single family home in Western PA, I called the building inspector to ask what permits I needed, and he could care less about permitting for it.  If I did the same job in Western MA, and they caught me doing it without permits, there would be a stop work order on the job.  In Florida, if you're an unlicensed contractor, they treat unpermitted work like a felony, its no joke, mugshot and all.  

I think some investors will try to skirt the building inspectors and not permit/strategically permit because of the perceived hassle, cost, and added timeline of dealing with the local building department. 

When I build a new home in SW FL, the permits costs THOUSANDS of dollars.  Then I pay taxes on the home, and assessments, etc.  It takes the Cities down there 2-4 months just to review my permit package and approve it.  Its a new home, I have to do it, and wouldn't do it any other way.  Just know, its not all roses dealing with local building departments, their changing whims, and the cost/headaches of dealing with different building inspector personalities.   

If you permit for a large job on a renovation, just know, your tax valuation will be assessed based on any new work performed.  So if you put in say a chef's dream kitchen that's valued at $100K, guess what, you just added this newly assessed value to your tax bill every year.  


Post: Cape Coral / Ft. Myers Market Update Feb 2024

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34
Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:

@Joe R. Cape Coral is showing 7.8 MOI for the month of February. So, there was a shift in inventory due to increased sales and sellers pivoting into annual rentals. We brought on 4 new owners this month that decided to rent instead of sell. The numbers for March are not showing a positive trend BUT the data for the current month is never very accurate.


 Thank you for weighing in.  I can see where a lot of supply would temporarily disappear if they rent instead of sell ... still a motivated seller, so those units are likely to hit the market in the future.  

Post: Cape Coral / Ft. Myers Market Update Feb 2024

Joe R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Cape Coral, FL
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 34

@Adam Bartomeo I was reviewing the February 2024 market stats for Cape Coral and am seeing that available inventory is now down to 6.8 months.  Is this a blip on the radar or is the trend shifting again in your opinion? 

I know that on my land listings, which are numerous, activity and pending deals have picked up bigly in the past 2 weeks.