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All Forum Posts by: Joe Hannigan

Joe Hannigan has started 0 posts and replied 2 times.

Very true on break even points with new rates but I think it’s still possible. Everything is through the roof price wise due to inflation and people are still paying . If this is a property you plan to use too then having guests pay 3/4 of your mortgage could still be a bargain.  

Yet another Xfactor that I forgot to mention is HOA . Majority of HOA's are a deal killer in town , especially with hidden expenses like this years snow removal bill im expecting to get. I know of a few people who's HOA doubled for snow removal and fire mitigation. Fire insurance is another huge factor. Insurers are threatening to drop many homes and businesses due to the drought and fire risk . I had to switch companies for my business and my homeowners wanted me to remove trees on my primary until I switched companies.

And yes, sometimes too much snow is a bad thing. We have the most snow in North America. Hwy 395 has been closed more days in the past month than open. Major avalanches north and mud slides south . We’ll be skiing in July for sure ! 


I'm here in mammoth with an STR that I've operated for 3 years… 500sqft studio loft 2bath. During COVID I was probably 95%. In the last 12 months occupancy has since leveled off, $7 a gallon gas prices didn't help us here in town. I'm more or less around 75% (Oct & Nov slowest)now with 45k in gross rev. It's sounds like you're familiar with the area but I'll give you (and other investors) the run down anyway …Summer time is better than winter, assuming no forest fires/smoke. During ski season the majority of people are here for the weekend and are limited to just the MMSA whereas during the summer everyone is on vacation (European travels too) with lots to do (golf, hiking, fishing, music festivals, Yosemite,etc). The camping/glamping had taken a bite out of the hospitality industry but they clamped down on off site camping this past summer so that helped. Another thing to consider is Mammoths expansion…Mammoth has broken ground on a giant new hotel and 3 additional hotels (300+ doors per hotel) are scheduled to start in the next 12 months. Mammoth Mountain is also scheduled to build an entire new village and multiple hotels at main lodge. This monumental winter might affect all of that, including summer occupancy since hiking and such will probably be limited with all the remaining snow… another key issue for your analysis is cleaning fees and cleaner availability. The majority of cleaning services are maxed out and not taking new clients due to lack of staffing. I had to beg my friend to take me on as a client. I pay $150 a clean and that's "locals price" hook up. During the winter months I have a lot of turns and payout somewhere between $1k-1,500 per month . Granted that expense is passed throught but can be a deterrent for customers. The biggest Xfactor in anything mammoth is mammoth itself. Reliable property managers and contractors are very very rare (I did my upgrades and cleaning for the first 18 months).Then there's the weather. We are on the cusp of an historic winter with another 3-5 feet coming this week. Because of this winter and the storms mainly hitting on the weekends my cancelations have been through the roof, more so then during COVID. A nightmare is an understatement. I've even had to clean the unit since cleaners were unable to get there during the storms. Guests have also been stuck and unable to check-out .
-Can you beat the avg ? Some years yes , so years no. That location matters for this.
-Best time to buy: crap shoot. Everyone sells in summer so more inventory but more competition. Rates might change that this summer
-Should you buy? Absolutely. It’s Real estate in California and in a destination town. There is never enough housing here. Whether it’s str or ltr you will break even at worst case scenario (not factoring in appreciation). Some months /years you will kill it a make money hand over fist . Others , break even. Knock on wood I’ve never lost money , even during COVID shut down.
Personally I’ll be kicking the tires this summer. I’m anticipating a lot of people will be “over it” between cancellations, rising expenses, unreliable managers & cleaners, and the simple fact that people are probably overextended

best 
-Joe