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All Forum Posts by: Joe Fermin

Joe Fermin has started 8 posts and replied 56 times.

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Joe Fermin:

evening all.  went to speak to a local bank today regarding a potential mortgage on an investment property.  we have our primary home and an occupied rental.  they said that the minimum down payment for another home would be at least 30%.  is that about the typical size of down payment on an investment home?  thanks for any info

 @Joe Fermin   Assuming a single family home you can put down as little as 15% for a conventional loan. Pricing will get better at 20% or 25% down but you can do as little as 15%.  Of course your debt to income will have to be able to handle that debt.  

https://singlefamily.fanniemae...


 thank you for this

Post: Why Am I Not Selling Multi-Family in Las Vegas?

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Eric Fernwood:

Many gurus tout multi-family as the right option for everyone and every location. The truth is that such blanket statements are not realistic. Why are they touting multi-family?

The perceived benefits of multi-family properties are reduced vacancy costs and increased income reliability. However, for these benefits to be realized, the property must be consistently occupied by reliable tenants. A reliable tenant is someone who:

  • Has stable employment in a market segment that is very likely to be stable or improve over time
  • Pays all the rent on schedule
  • Takes care of the property
  • Does not cause problems with neighbors
  • Does not engage in illegal activities while on the property
  • Stays for many years

Most Las Vegas multi-family properties do not attract reliable tenants. I will explain.

Every tenant segment has specific housing requirements. They will not rent a property that does not meet these requirements. The converse is also true. Every property has specific characteristics and only attracts people with matching requirements. The property defines the tenant pool segment.

What if the property attracts a segment that does not meet the definition of a reliable tenant?

This is where multi-family housing in Las Vegas falls down.

In Las Vegas, the vast majority of multi-family properties were built before 1986 and are in distressed, high-crime areas. The only people who live in these areas are people who can’t afford to live in a safer, better place. The tenants are largely minimum-wage workers. The characteristics of the majority of these tenants are:

  • Due to their low wages and minimal skills, these workers are easily replaceable. This makes them the first to be laid off and the last to be rehired during times of economic stress.
  • There is no regularity to paying bills. They pay all their bills in cash at payment service locations like 7-Eleven. If they can't afford the rent, they don't pay it. If they get evicted, they pack up their few belongings and move down the street to another property. Since leases, evictions, and skipped payments have no lasting impact on them, there is little incentive for these tenants to pay their rent on schedule.
  • The cost of repairs between tenants is high. The tenants know they are immune to damage judgments because they live cash-based lives. So, property damage is not relevant to their future.
  • Las Vegas multi-family properties have tenants living in compact buildings, and there is a high level of interaction between tenants. One bad tenant can drive all the good tenants out.
  • Drugs and other offenses are widespread in the neighborhoods where most multi-family properties are situated. So, the likelihood of tenants committing crimes while on the property is high.
  • The average tenant stay is under one year. The result is high vacancy costs. 

The tenants most Las Vegas multifamily properties attract are not reliable, and vacancy and repair costs are frequent and high. Also, the buildings are older and need more maintenance than newer buildings.

The goal of real estate investing is a reliable passive income that beats inflation and lasts a lifetime. Due to the tenants that occupy most Las Vegas multi-family properties and the high maintenance costs, there is almost no way to achieve reliable income.

My responsibility is to help clients acquire dependable passive income. Unfortunately, most multi-family properties in Las Vegas do not meet this goal.


 do you also shy away from owning a lower priced single condo for similar reasons?

Post: Novice Real Estate Investor

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Patrice Claxton:

Hi BP Community,

New to BP and trying to establish myself in the Las Vegas rental market. Ideally wanting to make passive income but don't mind stressing myself out working towards my financial freedom. Comments are welcomed with open arms!

good morning patrice.  im in the same boat.  hope we all find success!

Post: HELOCs on non-owner occupied/ investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16

just spoke to the local bank regarding this exact option.  they did offer it but there was a stark difference in rates compared to a heloc on our primary residence.  5.5 for primary, close to 11% plus added fees for the investment property heloc

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

@Joe Fermin I gotta imagine you can find something for 20-25% for an investment property. If you intend to move into this home and make it your primary you should be able to line up a 5% down loan. 


 that seems to be more inline with many other establishments.  this is strictly for a rental

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Robin Simon:
Quote from @Joe Fermin:

evening all.  went to speak to a local bank today regarding a potential mortgage on an investment property.  we have our primary home and an occupied rental.  they said that the minimum down payment for another home would be at least 30%.  is that about the typical size of down payment on an investment home?  thanks for any info


DSCR Loans typical minimum is 20% (with 15% in some cases, but hard to cash flow in this rate environment at 15% down)


 thank you for this info

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Zane Cress:

My local bank is still quoting me 20% down as of last week. My national lending agent is quoting me 25% down. For a rental property you might have better luck with a DSCR loan right now, but still probably 20% down there, you could get lucky with 15% down if the deal is really good.


 this is very helpful info.  thank you

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Andrew Carlson:

@Joe Fermin

Hey Joe,

I used a local bank and was able to put 10% down and collateralize my personal home for 2 years to get up to that 20%ish down payment. So maybe try to use your personal home or current rental property as collateral?


 thank you.  that was something they did mention being an option as well.  may end up going that route

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Bud Gaffney:

@Joe Fermin 20-25%. Owner house or house hack?


 this would be for owner house

Post: typical down payment for a mortgage on an investment property

Joe FerminPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 16

thank you.  i plan on exploring a couple other ones here to see