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All Forum Posts by: Jin Zhang

Jin Zhang has started 58 posts and replied 130 times.

Post: Platinum Resort Assisted Living and Memory Care

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42

Thank you for sharing! This is so inspirational! I am also interested in RAL. Could you share more insights on how to identify a good location for RAL homes? Thank you! 

Post: Any course or material about sober living

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42

Hi everyone, 

I am interested in learning more about sober living homes. Do you have any recommendations on courses, books, or materials to learn from? 

Thank you,

Gin

Post: Buying a halfway house / sober living house

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42
Quote from @Winslow T.:

This is a long one, but hopefully I can shed some light here. Of course, there are always multiple ways to overcome any challenge, but this is how we have done it so far...

My partner and I currently own and operate transitional living houses in a Midwest city, and it is definitely a different business than owning or managing standard rentals.  We are for-profit and currently have about 150 beds, most of which are in large single family homes located within city limits (no suburban living for us). We used to own all of our houses but are about 50/50 lease vs. own, mainly because leasing allows us to move faster when opening additional houses. 

The main difference here is your clientele/residents.  Because of their background (95% of our residents are recovering heroin addicts) and payor status (50% are paid for by their treatment centers, the rest split between family or self-pay),  standard 1 year leases with monthly payments do not work.  We accept cash, credit, check at any time of the month, for any period of time.  While the treatment centers generally pay monthly by check, the families usually pay weekly.  If the resident is self-pay, it could be a few days rent at a time, which is fine too. To solve this, I built a custom mobile app to handle rent payments and due dates because no other management software can handle the payment schedules or turnover. It also tracks who is in what house and all other resident info I might need, and is absolutely vital to our operation.

Each of our houses has a live-in manager who, for free rent, ensures all residents are following a strict set of rules and guidelines that is enforced quantitatively with a points system to ensure objectivity and uniformity between managers and houses.  All rules infractions have a point value, and if a resident accumulates X points in a certain time frame, there are several steps the manager takes to remediate the behavior i.e., curfew, no nights out, extra chores, eviction, etc.

AH, eviction.  Not only eviction, but how about occupancy or location?  No one would ever be caught saying they don't think transitional living houses can be a great resource...as long as that house is across town. NIMBY syndrome is perhaps one of the largest challenges any sober house will face. Luckily, there is a long trail of litigation under the Fair Housing Act 1934 and the AFH Amendments of 1988 which established the legal grounds for those in recovery (by definition "disabled") to live together in a single family home. As far as eviction, we as a management company do not evict anyone. All of our rules are guidelines for the men to use, and they police themselves.  If one resident relapses or brings drugs into the house, the residents resolve the situation themselves, usually by requiring the offending resident to leave for 2 weeks before reapplying for residency. That said, we do monitor the managers, who have final say in all house decisions (for free rent, remember?).

We also have several levels of housing. Initially, all new residents stay for about 6 months in our largest home. Because they are so new in their sobriety, the risk of relapse is highest so rules are the tightest. Nightly meetings are mandatory, and there is not much personal space. After about 6 months, they transition to a more traditional sober living house. Residents are welcome to stay here for much longer periods, but still must obey the house rules, which are more lax than the initial house. Finally, we offer apartments for the men to rent which more closely resemble your standard apartment. They maintain access to the house managers and meetings, and while we make the transition to independent living as seamless as possible, they are essentially on their own. 

Outside of the inherent challenge of managing heroin addicts (by definition some of the most manipulative and difficult personalities on the planet, especially when it come to money), the business can be quite good.  Because we charge by the bed, returns are significantly higher than market rental rates, even when considering our rent covers ALL housing costs ex food.

With today's opioid epidemic rampaging across the US, there is a massive need for well run transitional living facilities everywhere, but it is easy for good intentions to sour when the houses are not run properly.  Addiction is the disease of chronic relapses and heroin is a monster, so issues do occur. A whole lot of work is required to successfully run just a single house, and the clientele can be very difficult. But if you can handle the challenge, it is definitely worth the work!

There you have it...I am happy to answer any questions!


 Thank you for sharing the information! It is very helpful. I read in another post that if tenants found cook drugs in it, such as meth, it will affect the price the house significantly. Is this true? Thanks! 

Post: Do you have any recommendation on pest control service in Atlanta

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42

Hi everyone, 

I am looking for pest control service in Atlanta. Do you have any recommendation? Thanks! 

Best,

Gin

Post: How should I set up the holding and subsidiary LLC?

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42
Quote from @David M.:

@Chris Seveney Out of curiosity, what if you do a POA? For example, attorney signs the docs POA, then your name isn't on the doc, right? POA don't have to be recorded, right?

@Jin Zhang As mentioned, anonymity can be overrated.  Plus, its VERY hard as pointed out to truly hide.  You or somebody just has to put your name on one recorded doc and all that effort and cost is wasted.

To your questions, you of course should consult a qualified professional or two....

WY and DE i hear are really the same.  I think the fee for WY is a bit lower, and my feeling is we have more west coast people here so they default to the closer state :)

the management style really doesn't matter to my knowledge.  Its an administrative thing..  mgr mgr is necessary if some of the members are "silent partners," for example.

For the anonymity, you wouldn't put yourself as the member of the GA or CA LLC's. That defeats the purpose. The WY / DE LLC is the member (i.e. the owner) of the sub LLC's. The whole point of using WY / DE is the states don't make the ownership/membership of the LLC's public. Most other states do.

Anyway, happy to chat if you like.  Good luck.

Thank you! This is very helpful. Do you know if manager of an LLC is on public record? I did not find any answers online. 

Post: How should I set up the holding and subsidiary LLC?

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jin Zhang

LLC today provides zero anonymity

I have never found a LLc whose name I could not find. You can waste money and file in Wyoming but guess what- if you finance it and get a mortgage it has to be signed….

If you are ever sued or have to file suit you will need to sign documents in public record.

Before creating all these companies and structures what is your goal? Are you really that famous that you need to hide your identity?

Do you do some crooked things which require stacking LLC's ?

How are you financing these properties? If you are using your name then you don't need a LLC as it will not give you asset protection.

Definitely should speak with a few attorneys

Thank you for sharing all the great info! I want to put properties into LLCs. So if something happens in one property, they could not go after other properties or assets. Does this make sense? 

Post: How should I set up the holding and subsidiary LLC?

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42

Hi everyone, 

I am trying to set up an anonymous holding LLC and one anonymous Georgia subsidiary LLC (for my Georgia rental) and one anonymous California subsidiary LLC (for my California rental). I am a bit confused about how to set it up. Could you share your view on this?

Holding LLC:

1. Which state should I choose? Wyoming or Delaware? 

2. Should I set it up as member managed instead of manager managed? I put my own name as the member. 

subsidiary LLC:

1. Should I set it up as member managed or manager managed? 

2. If I should set it up as member managed, should I put my holding LLC as the member?

3. If I should set it up as manager managed, should I put my holding LLC as the member and myself as the manager?

4. Is the manager of a LLC could be found in public record or a lawyer?

Thank you! Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

Best,

Jin 

Post: Recommendation on landlord insurance agent in Atlanta area

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42

Hi everyone, 

I am shopping for landlord insurance policy in Atlanta area. Do you have any recommendations on a good agent who could help me with it? 

Thanks,

Gin

Post: Should landlord be added as additional insured?

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42
Quote from @Greg M.:

Additional Interest not Additional Insured.

Could you explain a bit more why additional interest but not additional insured? The information out there is very confusing. Thanks! 

Post: Should landlord be added as additional insured?

Jin ZhangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 133
  • Votes 42

Hi everyone, 

I am researching about renter insurance and if landlord should be added as additional insured or additional interested. Most articles do not say about if this is a bad idea or not. And it seems to be fine to add landlord as additional insured. but there is one article says it is a bad idea to add landlord as additional insured. Is this true? Should I ask my tenants to add me as additional insured or not?

Thanks,

Jin 

Additional insured," on the other hand, is another person covered by your policy, and adding your landlord as an additional insured is a very bad idea — for you, your landlord and your insurance company. In fact, most renters insurance companies won't let you list your landlord as an additional insured at all.

If you add someone to your policy as an additional insured, it means they are protected by your policy's liability coverage. You might commonly add your spouse or your roommate as an additional insured so that you're all protected under the same policy. If you add your roommate to your policy and a visitor is injured by your roommate's dog, the liability policy would cover any damages.

However, adding your landlord as an additional insured makes it impossible for either of you to make a claim against one another's liability policies for damages.

For example, if faulty wiring causes a fire in your apartment, you and your insurance company would normally sue your landlord and their insurance company to cover the loss. But if you and your landlord are protected by the same policy, you're prevented from suing your landlord — it'd be like suing yourself or your spouse. And this works both ways: If you're the one responsible for the fire, the landlord would be unable to sue you for damages because you're both protected by the same policy.