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All Forum Posts by: Jim Macedon

Jim Macedon has started 21 posts and replied 84 times.

There's just no way it's constitutional for the federal government--not even the states, which government this sort of thing--to void terms of a contract between two private citizens and force someone to allow a person to live in their property for free.  Private property rights are the foundation of the concept of freedom this country was founded on.

This is the least constitutional thing I've ever seen enacted.  Someone needs to hurry up and file suit so we can get a national injunction against this lunacy.

The other thing that adds to the problem of the idiocy is the pride of idiots. I apparently upset her by providing evidence that she doesn't know how to calculate DTI, so she turned around and included depreciation in my cash flow and said I'm denied lol.

This is killing me right now. I'm trying to get a commercial construction loan. Numbers on the project itself are great. I have 18 months of interest payments in cash. But since I have to do a personal guarantee, they are saying my DTI doesn't qualify because of my rentals. They are subtracting my rental mortgages once to get my rental income, and then counting the same mortgages a second time as a personal debt.

Post: Question About DTI Ratio

Jim MacedonPosted
  • Round Rock, TX
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 45

This is really killing me man. This banker insists on subtracting my mortgages from my rentals and then counting the same mortgages again in the DTI ratio. This is holding up my commercial construction loan even though I have the cash to make interest payments for 18 months even if my cashflow was zero.

Post: Question About DTI Ratio

Jim MacedonPosted
  • Round Rock, TX
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 45

Thanks for taking the time to respond, but that doesn't really answer my question. My question is, what is the correct way to handle rental properties when calculating DTI?

Post: Question About DTI Ratio

Jim MacedonPosted
  • Round Rock, TX
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 45

I have a condo development project I'm trying to get financed in the Austin, TX area. I'm running into two problems. The first is that the two banks I've talked to so far are looking at my own personal finances for the construction loan instead of the project itself.

But that actually would still work except for the second problem, which is how they are calculating my DTI ratio. They are putting all my rental property mortgages on the debt side of the ledger instead of calculating the NOI of my rentals and adding that to my income.

My understanding from reading posts here is that rentals are supposed to be handled like the following when it comes to DTI ratio (all numbers made up to illustrate the point):

W2 income: +6,000

Primary residence PITI: -1,500

Rental 1 NOI: +500

Rental 2 NOI: +500

Rental 3 NOI: +500

But that's not how they're doing it. They're doing this:

W2 income: +6,000

Primary residence PITI: -1,500

Rentals gross income: +9,000

Rentals mortgages: -7,500

In the first example, my DTI would be great, and that more accurately reflects reality as my net income is increasing with each new rental. However, in example two my net income, per the bank, is decreasing with each rental even though they are making me more money.

Is my understanding of this correct?

Post: Has anyone ever used the Velocity Banking Strategy?

Jim MacedonPosted
  • Round Rock, TX
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 45
Originally posted by @Ben Zimmerman:

@Brian Cardwell  I don't doubt that you paid off your mortgage in 10 years or less, what I am saying and what others are saying is that without a doubt, the reason that you paid your mortgage off early was because you made significant additional payments towards your principle.  You don't need a heloc to make additional payments, in fact by using the heloc in the manner that you suggest actually hurt you and slowed down your progress since you are leaving a balance on the account each month and therefore paying a higher interest.  If you paid off your mortgage in 10 years, its entirely possible that you would have paid it off in 9 yrs 6 months if you had gotten rid of your heloc entirely.  Your heloc COST you money, it is not what helped you.  Making additional payments above and beyond the minimum required is what helped you pay it off faster.  The method I suggest does not involve making additional payments, that is the big difference that you seem unable to comprehend as we have had this exact same conversation numerous times in this thread.  

There are people out there that are smarter than the both of us.  Smart people who work in the finance industry managing billions of dollars worth of assets who's sole job it is to squeek out the smallest percentage gain for their clients.  If there was some super secret trick to pay off a mortgage significantly faster without spending any additional money these smart people would have found it, and would be using it on a daily basis for all of their clients.  The fact that this isn't happening should give you a clue that there is no trick, instead the only 'trick' is you paying more than the minimum towards your mortgage payment each month.  

Lets assume a house with a 1k/month mortgage payment.  The standard scenario this home gets paid off in 30 years.  In my scenario I still only pay 1k/month but due to the way I structure it, I am able to pay it off in 27 years without spending an extra dime each month.  In your method you instead decide to pay 2k/month and pay it off in 10 years.  Of course you are going to pay it off faster because you are spending more money towards the loan.  That isn't a trick.  My method puts the standard amount towards the loan and still manages to pay it off faster, that is the trick.  If you really wanted to you could just as easily make overpayments using my method but most people don't want to make overpayments because it reduces their cashflow to nothing.

Paying more each month isn't some super secret trick.  Every single person knows that the more money you put towards a loan the faster you will pay off that loan.  That's like me saying, "hey guys, I have a trick to cut 30 years off your mortgage....just pay cash!"

I paid off my mortgage in 10 years.  Every time I made an extra principal only payment, I slapped myself in the face.  If only you would slap yourself in the face once a month, you too could pay off your mortgage early.

Post: Has anyone ever used the Velocity Banking Strategy?

Jim MacedonPosted
  • Round Rock, TX
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 45
Originally posted by @Jeremy Z.:
Originally posted by @Brian Cardwell:
Originally posted by @Jeremy Z.:

Where did I say using a HELOC "doesn't work"? I just pointed out how one of your comments looks an awful lot like the "banks HATE this" meme that has become a common sales tactic on financial websites.

 Fair enough . So that there is no misunderstanding, does your "math" show it works or doesn't work? I don't want to misunderstand your statements again

To make this work , one only needs to be responsible and bring in more than they spend. The maths supports it and action supports it.

My comments is in no way is  a sales pitch. I am speaking the truth. If everyone did this then the banks would change the rules so that it couldn't be done. The banks would lose many thousands of dollars.

Using the example in your spreadsheet, it doesn't work as well as paying the same total amount each month ($2,375) toward your mortgage and only using the HELOC in case of emergency. That's due to the HELOC rate (7.5%) being higher than the mortgage rate (5%). Do we agree on that point?

My issue with the supporters of this method is the lack of nuance. I can go on a home building forum and state that you can frame a house with a hammer and nails. It works. That doesn't mean it works better than using a nail gun. If I keep repeating that I have done it with a hammer, that still doesn't prove that a nail gun wouldn't be better.

Most of the examples set forth by the supporters of this method (yours included) fail to compare their scenario to paying the same total monthly amount toward just the mortgage. It's like saying the hammer works without discussing the merits of a nail gun.

I think your point about banks changing the rules is highly debatable. Would they stop offering 15-year mortgages if more and more people started using them?? That debt instrument can save people thousands on interest too.

You're being too generous when you say it works.  The hammer "works" at its stated function, which is to drive a nail slowly and with great effort.  I know of no one that claims that a hammer is a magic trick that accomplishes driving a nail better than a nail gun.  By contrast, the velocity banking strategy claims to be some super secret sauce that pays off your mortgage faster than just paying off your mortgage.  So judging it by its stated function, it doesn't work at all.

Post: Financing Soft Costs

Jim MacedonPosted
  • Round Rock, TX
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 45

To all you land developers out there, are you able to finance soft costs (civil engineering and architecture)?  I'm looking to meet my equity requirement with non-liquid assets.  Specifically, I own the land outright and I also own another property outright that I intend to put up as collateral.  

I will maintain a reserve for interest payments, but $100k in soft costs doesn't work for me out of pocket.  In a scenario like this, will the bank allow me to draw for soft costs?