Question About DTI Ratio

Question About DTI Ratio

Round Rock, TX · Member since 2017 · 86 posts · 45 votes

I have a condo development project I'm trying to get financed in the Austin, TX area. I'm running into two problems. The first is that the two banks I've talked to so far are looking at my own personal finances for the construction loan instead of the project itself.

But that actually would still work except for the second problem, which is how they are calculating my DTI ratio. They are putting all my rental property mortgages on the debt side of the ledger instead of calculating the NOI of my rentals and adding that to my income.

My understanding from reading posts here is that rentals are supposed to be handled like the following when it comes to DTI ratio (all numbers made up to illustrate the point):

W2 income: +6,000

Primary residence PITI: -1,500

Rental 1 NOI: +500

Rental 2 NOI: +500

Rental 3 NOI: +500

But that's not how they're doing it. They're doing this:

W2 income: +6,000

Primary residence PITI: -1,500

Rentals gross income: +9,000

Rentals mortgages: -7,500

In the first example, my DTI would be great, and that more accurately reflects reality as my net income is increasing with each new rental. However, in example two my net income, per the bank, is decreasing with each rental even though they are making me more money.

Is my understanding of this correct?

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  • Specialist · OverTheRainbow · Member since 2020 · 607 posts · 909 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jim Macedon:

    I have a condo development project I'm trying to get financed in the Austin, TX area. I'm running into two problems. The first is that the two banks I've talked to so far are looking at my own personal finances for the construction loan instead of the project itself.

    But that actually would still work except for the second problem, which is how they are calculating my DTI ratio. They are putting all my rental property mortgages on the debt side of the ledger instead of calculating the NOI of my rentals and adding that to my income.

    My understanding from reading posts here is that rentals are supposed to be handled like the following when it comes to DTI ratio (all numbers made up to illustrate the point):

    W2 income: +6,000

    Primary residence PITI: -1,500

    Rental 1 NOI: +500

    Rental 2 NOI: +500

    Rental 3 NOI: +500

    But that's not how they're doing it. They're doing this:

    W2 income: +6,000

    Primary residence PITI: -1,500

    Rentals gross income: +9,000

    Rentals mortgages: -7,500

    In the first example, my DTI would be great, and that more accurately reflects reality as my net income is increasing with each new rental. However, in example two my net income, per the bank, is decreasing with each rental even though they are making me more money.

    Is my understanding of this correct?

    Welcome to the world of finance. Little of it makes sense. That being said, the general idea is that the banks account for vacancy rate and CAPEX though they may call it something different. Ask your self why they look at it that way. They aren't concerned about you or your project. Nothing personal. The loan officer doesn't want to look bad doing a loan below whatever management wants and underwriting approves. The bank doesn't want to wind up with the property and if they do wind up with the property, they want to break even or make money on it not a loss. I know, who cares what the banks want, eh? But, they are the ones with the money and you know the golden rule "he who has the money makes the rules".

    Find a mortgage broker. He will have access to 300 lenders and can find the right loan for your situation.

  • Round Rock, TX · Member since 2017 · 86 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    Thanks for taking the time to respond, but that doesn't really answer my question. My question is, what is the correct way to handle rental properties when calculating DTI?

  • Real Estate Agent · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 359 posts · 158 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jim Macedon:

    Thanks for taking the time to respond, but that doesn't really answer my question. My question is, what is the correct way to handle rental properties when calculating DTI?

    Your way is the logical way and anyone w/ two brain cells would see that.  But from my conversations with some bankers, they lack even those two cells.  1- Rental Income needs to show up on two years of tax returns.  Then they take 75% of that amount and give you credit for the income.  Even though they should add back depreciation, you're still screwed.  

    In your case, they would take 75% of your gross rental income of 9K for a total of $6750.  But deduct total mortgage payments of $7500.  So you would be negative $750.  Congrats. 

  • Round Rock, TX · Member since 2017 · 86 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    This is really killing me man. This banker insists on subtracting my mortgages from my rentals and then counting the same mortgages again in the DTI ratio. This is holding up my commercial construction loan even though I have the cash to make interest payments for 18 months even if my cashflow was zero.

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