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All Forum Posts by: John Fleming

John Fleming has started 5 posts and replied 40 times.

Post: Property Management Reccomendation

John FlemingPosted
  • Investor
  • Rancho Cucamonga CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 19

The last post on this topic I see is from about seven years ago... so figured I would start fresh. 

Who is your favorite Baltimore property manager and why?

I am on the west coast, but have a SFH in Pigtown and believe I am finally at the point of needing someone "in town".

Appreciate any advice... 
 

Quote from @Cory M.:
Quote from @John Fleming:
Quote from @Cory M.:

Thanks @John Fleming. I'll check it out


 Also, I did a call yesterday with Todd Crippen from Turnkey Property Group. So if you're looking at Kansas City I'd recommend speaking with him as well. 

 @John Fleming I'll look them up. Do you mind sharing what drew you to them?


Small boutique firm, lower mgmt fee, personalized service, good mentions from here (BP forums), focused only on KC. I also like their approach to managing properties acquired outside of their turnkey program... 

Quote from @Cory M.:

Thanks @John Fleming. I'll check it out


 Also, I did a call yesterday with Todd Crippen from Turnkey Property Group. So if you're looking at Kansas City I'd recommend speaking with him as well. 

Post: Turnkey properties investing for my family.

John FlemingPosted
  • Investor
  • Rancho Cucamonga CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Adriana Collado Hudak:

Hi John, I purchased two properties (SFH's) from MidSouth - one in October 2023 and the other in March 2024. Both are in Memphis. I bought the properties in cash: one for $114k and the other for $123k. The market value for the one I purchased for $114k hovers between $139k and $142k, so I walked into that property with equity from the get-go. The market value on the other property is pretty stagnant and fluctuates between $119k and $125k. I receive rents totaling $1817 per month, after property management fees of 8% are deducted. So far, so good as far as I'm concerned. Here's what I've learned in my brief experience:

1. Turnkey properties are great for someone like me who lives in a state where cashflow is very hard to find and who has a busy career that doesn't allow much time for typical landlording duties;

2. Turnkey properties are better if you're planning to hold for a good while (5+ years). As you can see from my numbers, this is not a quick appreciation situation although I hope that equity will build over time;

3. ALWAYS conduct your own inspection, even if the property is turnkey.

Hope this helps - best of luck!!


Thanks so much for all the info. On #3 - as an out of state investor, how do you handle that inspection? 

Post: Experience of OOS investing in Cleveland after 1.5 years.

John FlemingPosted
  • Investor
  • Rancho Cucamonga CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
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Quote from @Luka Jozic:

Hi everyone, I started investing in Cleveland about a year and a half ago and have acquired 6 LTRs (SFH and MFH) using mainly the BRRRR method in C areas. I've done fairly big renovations where in most cases, Im replacing almost everything in/on the house. First year has been tons of learning and despite all the research and preparation I did, I still did mistakes and learned things the hard way. I went with one of the biggest PMs that everybody vouched for, yet it took them forever to even place a tenant, and once they did, the tenants never paid on time. Additionally, despite the houses being newly renovated, every month there were new expenses and something breaking, almost as if they want me to not cashflow. The PM said they don't up-charge, but most repairs and expenses were ridiculously high. The result of this? No cashflow, in fact Im in the negative for almost every property so far, and yes I do put aside money for vacancies, capex, and repairs. I finally switched PMs recently and the new one seems much better but Im still getting pretty frequent repairs though much cheaper than the previous PM. The problem is that in this market, getting $2-300 a month cashflow is about as good as it gets, and one furnace, one turnover or whatever and that takes out the cashflow for that year, or even puts you in the negative.

Lets just say the experience hasn't been great, yet. Im trying to stay hopeful that it will turn around but I just keep receiving blow after blow. Just recently got hit with a 10K sewer line repair. I know, its my fault I didn't inspect the sewer line but in my defense, having such inspection contingencies makes it nearly impossible to find a viable BRRRR deal, as there are several investors lined up ready to pay more, in cash, and no contingencies. Im now starting to doubt wether or not Cleveland is actually a good market to invest in? Majority of the houses are old and require frequent repairs in addition to a poor tenant base that can't pay on time and don't care about their credit. On paper it looks good, but the reality is a different story. Im wondering if other markets might be better, with somewhat newer houses and higher quality tenants? But the thing with those markets are you'd be happy to break even, so even if repairs are less and tenant quality is better, I feel like it would end up being the same result.

For those of you that invest in Cleveland, do you have similar experiences? If not, what do you think you might be doing differently to make it work better?


 I TRIED to help you but you " know better". I get on avg 800 per month NET income 15- 20% NET (based on cash purchases) on SF, and more on my duplex's. My maintenance is little to nothing as we do the reno correctly. I also tried to help you with PM I'm aware of them all 99% are terrible and will charge you 3k to replace a furnace when the real cost is about 1600. I just got $900 for a 1 br in East Cleveland. I'm going to get 1500 for a 3 br in Lee Harvard, fully renovated all in 75k, do the math :) 

All the best 


Im not interested in buying turnkey and also not buying cash, I would run out of money real quick. I need to be doing BRRRR thats the only way to scale somewhat fast. Im glad you're doing good.


but if your negative cash flow your bleeding your money anyways.. instead of buying a property in a better local that is rehabbed better than you can do. And actually being cash positive instead of negative at least your post says your cash negative not making any money so you are eroding your cash by feeding these.. not to mention the incredible risk you take with remote rehab and the time involved .. If your paying cash to buy and rehab then refinancing I get that.. but your still paying for two closing costs. And if you finance the buy then you have money there.. just some things to think about.
Thats fair but Im assuming there is a little bit of a learning curve before you get it right? If I buy turnkey, Im putting 25% down on any property, which is like 30-45K in Cleveland, and Im still at risk of running into issues because we all know that most turnkey properties aren't actually turnkey, they're lipstick on a pig. Im more interested to learn what I can maybe change or improve to make BRRRR strategy work, not change strategy completely where I can buy maybe 1 property a year instead of 3-4. 

well you might want to take a look at the new crop of Turnkey the folks i do business there are hardly lip sticks on pigs.. I know I fund the deals and pay for the rehab . my clients put on brand new roofs  new panels all new wiring new plumbing windows siding cabinets etc etc.. I mean I see it since i am paying for it to the tune of 250k to 300k a month.  but i hear ya. you do get what you pay for though and its not a race.. real estate is a long game and to me far more important to buy quality assets then taking 2 steps forward and 1 backward.. you may want to try both and see how they play out.. remote rehab simply is the most risky thing you can do in RE full stop. U have to shop for the deal and compete or deal with wholesalers thats no fun.. you have to make quick discussions etc etc.. with a nice renovated prop you get to buy it have your home inspection and understand what your buying...  Just sayin.

 @Jay Hinrichs - mind sharing the turnkey operators you might recommend? 

Post: Mid South Home Buyers - Looking for reviews

John FlemingPosted
  • Investor
  • Rancho Cucamonga CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Terry Kiel:
Hi Cj!
I don't do the best job of watching and I missed your post until now... I might actually be looking to sell one of our MSHB properties here in a few months. If you might be interested it would obviously be awesome to connect without realtors and whatnot. Let me know what you think!

-Terry

 Hi Terry

 Why are you looking to sell one of yours? 

john

Post: Turnkey properties investing for my family.

John FlemingPosted
  • Investor
  • Rancho Cucamonga CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Adriana Collado Hudak:

Hi Jason - I did a deep dive into turnkeys and MidSouth Home Buyers checked off all the right boxes. I bought my first property from them in September and am about to buy a second. So far, so good. They are responsive, professional, and pleasant to work with. Happy to share my thoughts/experience.


Hi Adriana

In what market are you buying, and what are you buying? Would you mind sharing some of the details/numbers?

john

I've also come across their name and wanted to learn more. I see no one replied here, did you end up working with them? Can we chat?