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All Forum Posts by: Jerryll Noorden

Jerryll Noorden has started 131 posts and replied 4545 times.

Post: Something is off...

Jerryll Noorden
#2 Marketing Your Property Contributor
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  • Wilton, CT
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Cody,

That makes sense. I blindly wrote yellow letters without much research on the property. I got my list and started going at it.

I am still stopping the yellow letters for now, and going to give actual letters a go. I will see how that goes. I am curious to know how many angry calls I will get from those. I suspect way less than the yellow letters!

This is what I am trying to say.

Do yellow letter work? Yes and no!

If you got a deal with a yellow letter, I am CONVINCED you would have gotten it too if you had sent a professional printed letter.

No one will think " They sent me a printed letter, I am not going to choose them".

But on the other hand, it is very feasible to say "they sent me a handwritten letter?! Yeah... no thanks, I will deal with someone else".

So my argument is not whether you can not get a deal with a yellow letter. I am convinced you can do equally good OR BETTER without the yellow letters.  I know this will make a bunch of yellow letter owners mad.

And if yellow letters works for you.. then use them! (I really dont care if you do or not)... 

But this is not going to change my mind that yellow letters have been a complete waste of my time (so far).

:/

Post: Something is off...

Jerryll Noorden
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James, I think you are right.

I should have been more discriminative with the yellow letters.

A good lesson I didn't even think of.

Post: Something is off...

Jerryll Noorden
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Well exactly!

People are people, and as you mentioned, they can be fickle, bad mood, angry... THUS, my suggestion is to approach them to account for people characteristics. In my experience now and here, yellow letters have been absolutely horrendous, and what you confuse as a rant, is my reasoning and analyses for it. Of course I expect not everyone to agree with this.

But that is the point! I am sharing what I have come to learn doing it this way, and it makes sense (to me). I would never call some dude that put a handwritten letter in my mailbox promising to pay me $535,643.00 in cash within 10 days if I sign this scary  "contract", when from the start the approach has been deceitful.

All red flags to me. Yes that is "just me".. but then again. all my friends chose the printed letter as well..

so I guess it is not so "just me" anymore...

As for your actions on the cop thing.. who cares?! Who cares if it was a real cop or not. Even if it wasn't real, and I know it was (I heard the owners arguing with the cop in the back ground) while on the phone,  to go through such a charade to "get to me" still is alarming. This would not happen with an official printed letter.

But regardless, this is not supposed to be an arguing note fighting what is better or "what ever works for you after an elaborate message proving or disproving the previous writings.

Again, this is simply sharing my experience with yellow letters and I am not a fan of it anymore and was wondering if anyone else had similar experiences.

And FYI, starting a message with "All I can say is ... Wow... tirade and rant warning..." is very counterproductive for constructive communication.

You set the mood for argumentative interaction, which is... as I said counterproductive. Something you should be mindful of ;)

Cheerios.

Post: Something is off...

Jerryll Noorden
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All I have taken a few steps back to re-evaluate things.

I am struggling with some fundamental issues here.

OK the reason I have had so much success with my return calls is because I did NOT do  the "tried and proven" techniques. You hear everyone say, "do not reinvent the wheel. We did all the trials and errors and we have seen that "handwritten letters " give the best results".

The problem with this is that yes.. YOU have tried "whatever it is you tried", and from what YOU have tried , handwritten letters work best. But, did you try EVERYTHING? No. Of course not. So I did my own thing and indeed, my opening rate of letters was probably between 90 to 100%.

So what is the problem? 

Let's be completely honest. Motivated sellers are not just some weird different species living among us. They are human. Like you and me. (well at least like you...)

Ask 10 people this. If they got a letter in the mail that was sloppily handwritten with: "  $ BUY $ your house at 123 Shenanigans Street"..  in scary red horror movie ink,  basically telling them " [add whispering voice to the following:" I know where you live... MUUUUWaaaauuuuhahahahaha  ahum, sell me your house".  ... yes of course they will think, "what the heck is this".

and sure they are curious.

Now ask your 10 buddies if they got a professional  printed letter. Neatly done, company logo and letterhead. I think they will take that way more seriously, and if they got one of each letter in the mail... and I am a motivated seller... guess which one I will call first. No not the "what the heck" guy buying houses.. in cash, but can't even afford to buy a printer, and do a bit of actual effort representing his image! Because let's face it. You do look like an incompetent poombah if you try to make 15K with a yellow paper red marker scribbled letter begging me to trust you enough to make a deal.

WHAT was I thinking!? And this I realize after so many handwritten letters. Ka kaolo pampa bos joeka friggin bosbana!  (The best thing about being a foreigner is that sites do not censor your swearing in an other language).

What sparked this rage?

Well boys and gurlz, sit down. Uncle Jerryll will tell you a story.

By mistake I sent 2 written letters to some old  woman with a violent and technology retarded husband.

I guess after the second letter they freaked out , called me up, asked me wt EF this was, and they will call the cops. Me being the awesome calm dude, say, sure feel free to call them, but please give me your address to remove you from my list. 

"I am not going to give you my address are you kidding".. (this after I sent a hand written letter to THEIR stinking ADDRESS).. you crazy nut!

So they hang up, and 20 minutes later I get a call from an angry cop threatening me not to send anymore letters.

The point here ladies and G's, I don't care if it is my right to sent letters or not.

The point is this.

A motivated seller is a motivated seller! Having a hand written letter is not going to make them more motivated. 

OK then what is the benefit of hand written?You will say, well it gives a personal touch, so they will choose you over the other people trying to reach them. WRONG!

Hence my story above asking 10 friends their opinion about handwritten vs typed.

Heck man. You are dealing with reaching motivated sellers. You are not trying to MAKE them a motivated seller. Your aim is to have them read the letter! Period. If they are motivated they will call you!

I am not telling anyone that handwritten is a bad idea. I am just telling everyone it is a HORRENDOUS idea damnit! 

:)

So what is the point of this message? Am I the only one that came to realize this?

TO support this notion, think back. To the time when you knew nothing about real estate investing.

Not sure about you but me, I did see those bandit signs with "I buy your house for cash". I was thinking wth is that. How can anyone buy your house for cash. I didn't understand how it worked, didn't believe it, and I just brushed it off. Now correlate this to the following.

You get a letter hand written wanting to by my 500K house in cash, within 10 days. NO ONE will believe this that has never heard of  real estate investing. And sure enough. Most of my calls are from people wondering how it is possible. And then I have to explain how it works.

Thus inherently by default you are starting on negative ground this way. You are having people call you by creating doubt. So you start in the negative. You need people to call you by creating the positive.. i.e. you want to try to have people call you because they are convinced you are their solution. Not the opposite.

So there you have it. A NASA scientist perspective in the logic of yellow friggin ka kaolo letters!

Am I saying you will never get a deal from them? Not at all. I am just saying that you probably would have gotten the deal also if you had sent a normal civilized letter!

Post: My first Motivated seller lead!

Jerryll Noorden
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OK so a lawyer in Pensacola wants to charge me $1500 to review my contracts.

Seems a bit much to me. Is this normal?

Post: My first Motivated seller lead!

Jerryll Noorden
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My troubles now start all over again. Now I am rushing to find an attorney that does assignments.

Do any of you know one that is real estate investor friendly?

Post: My first Motivated seller lead!

Jerryll Noorden
#2 Marketing Your Property Contributor
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  • Wilton, CT
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Wow thank you.

Yes I could use some local help!

Post: My first Motivated seller lead!

Jerryll Noorden
#2 Marketing Your Property Contributor
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  • Wilton, CT
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So this is so typical.

By mistake I sent a letter to the wrong address. Very sweet elderly lady in PENSACOLA...   (I sent that letter apparently to Florida?!) called me and told me the address of the property in the letter is a wrong address... but she needs to sell a place she has place.

So now.. here I am.... freaking out excitedly with a big nervous smile on my face.

Someone tell the Gods to stop screwing with me and either help me out or leave me the-strawberries with-a-bee-on-top alone. All this  weird freaky coincidental heavenly fate shenanigans is not good for my 41 year ol heart! damnit!

I just wanted to keep all you awesome people informed because I surely would love your help along the way. And if a deal ensues, I will kiss you (on the cheek) that is a promise!

Go so what do we have. 

Elder sweet lady.

Tenants are pricks, 

she needs to sell!

I guess I need to get a FL contract going.. aiyayai!

Post: I GOT MY FIRST LEAD!!! This thing actually works!! HELP?

Jerryll Noorden
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:) 

Good old days!

Post: I GOT MY FIRST LEAD!!! This thing actually works!! HELP?

Jerryll Noorden
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Originally posted by @Rob Grove:

 Hey Josh,

Sure feel free to ask. I do not believe in "competition" so ask away.

Some things I am experimenting with to see how it works, but when I have a report I will share it all if you like. I just need to send all of my mailers.

I just wanted to touch on the competition part as a new wholesaler myself. The two phone calls I received recently were from people who received a half dozen mailers before mine. Why they called me? I can only speculate but it was advantageous for me to have competition. Unfortunately they didn't keep their mailer so I can see what they're sending... 

Regardless, youre doing it right by moving forward with the info you have and figuring it as you go. Good luck!!

 That is interesting.

And I also noticed something similar. If you go to youtube and you look at all these guys teaching others on how to's, often you see these thuggish guys that start their videos with stuff like

"YO YO YO WAT UP, Diz iz yo dawg bringing you another blah blah "

If that is the competition, yes of course people will choose me an educated man, with manners etc. etc. to do a deal with. So yes in that case I guess competition can drive you up.

People just need to stop, step back and think, see what they are doing. And I bet they will be a lot more successful.

But look at me.. talking as if I got anywhere. A few phonecalls, successful doesn not one make.

But a good point you bring up!