Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:
Originally posted by @Jeremy England:
This is the topic I wanted to discuss here. Refinancing and seasoning etc. So I bought a rental in cash, paid for the rehab in cash, 2 months later, now I have a tenant.
I tried talking with several banks about refinancing, local, national etc. The best terms I could find are 6pct apr, 20 year amoritized, 5 year balloon notes, at 70% LTV.
This isn't sustainable as a strategy. The debt service would be too high for maximum cash flow. I suppose I could refinance out of that loan after the seasoning period, but now I'm looking at triple closing costs (buy, refi, refi)
Is the brrr strategy pie in the sky? Or is everyone just watiing the 6 months? if so, how are you scaling, if it takes 6 months after renting to get your money in order to do it again? I'll be a senior citizen by the time I was able to aquire enough for financial freedom.
Once you Refi, even if it is at 6+ months, theoretically you don't need "maximum cash flow". (ie. Just not negative!)
Why? Because you'd have ~30% equity in properties where you have zero of your own dollars left in those deals! And that equity becomes greater each year because your tenants are paying them off for you.
And your original deposit will continually be put to good use with each Repeat, right?
So what if it takes 10 years to obtain 20 properties? Shouldn't you be buying multi-family ones anyway? eg. 20x quads!
And, by paying cash, the Delayed Financing Exception doesn't require seasoning anyway! (ie. Why "refi, refi"?)...
This is all true its just not as easy as its spoke of on this forum. Plus i hear of people scaling very quickly on the podcast and forums.
Im not sour on the idea. Its just not what people assume its going to be. More like buy rehab rent wait.......refinance.
Ill be doing it again, but people should temper their expectations
What im talking about with the two refis is if you buy, you have closing costs, if you get delayed financing (which is limited to your purchase price) you have closing costs, and if you refi again to get to the 75pct ltv, you have closing costa
Take this latest project. I bought at 62k
I spent 17-18k getting it rented
I can only refi immediately for 62k at 6pct, and a closing fee of like 1000 dollars. So my costs would be about 2200 to close
I would leave 18k of my own money in the project
Scaling, this isnt sustainable without alot of cash to float it. 10 properties = 180000 of my own money in it.
To access that cash id need to refinance again. Increasing the costs and only after 6 months of renting