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All Forum Posts by: Jeremy England

Jeremy England has started 22 posts and replied 296 times.

Post: BRRRR refinancing costs high

Jeremy EnglandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Pensacola, FL
  • Posts 299
  • Votes 152
Originally posted by @Randy Janoe:
Originally posted by @Mary K.:

@Randy Janoe who is your banker that does 85%

 A Community Bank in western NC. If you are interested in using his services, I could see if he will entertain out of state deals?

Pm me if you find he will

Post: BRRRR refinancing costs high

Jeremy EnglandPosted
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  • Pensacola, FL
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Seasoning refers to the period (6 months) which fannie mae requires between when you purchase a home and when you may cash out refinance that loan.  This is only for fannie mae conforming loans, not commercial loans or other non-conforming loans.  BAnks usually deal in conforming loans but not always

Post: Anyone doing small sdira lending?

Jeremy EnglandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Pensacola, FL
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Originally posted by @Levi Rudder:

What type of returns are you looking for with your IRA?

Can you keep your money out 90% of the time with loans or transactional funding?

Well currently its matching the stock market, so I suppose I'd like to be more than that.  

I'm not sure, I guess that's why I'm asking around to see if others are doing it and make an educated decision.  If I were going to pull the trigger, I would probably go to a reia meeting and see who needs such funding.  

Post: BRRRR refinancing costs high

Jeremy EnglandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Pensacola, FL
  • Posts 299
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Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:
Originally posted by @Jeremy England:
Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

Because BRRRR is a cute acronym that doesn't give the whole picture, another member has had to learn RO (Rip-Off fees) the hard way.

The other letter missing is the S for Seasoning. Lots of folks learn that one the hard way also!

Full proper acronym should be BRRSRORR, but it's not cute enough.   Spread the word.

 Not necessrily.  I could have refinanced immediately with a commercial lender at 70pct. But that would be a 20 yr amortized loan with a 7 yr balloon.   So the cashflows wouldnt have been as good and with rates increasing, i would have had to refinance in 7 years.  

If i had expected that i would have planned for it.  Its another tool in the tool belt but in this project i wanted a 30 yr fixed

Ok. So seasoning only required if you don't want crummy commercial terms... Or using the delayed financing exception of less of PP or 70% of FMV.

The seasoning S should still be in the acronym. Many are surprised by the 6 month requirement to get conventional financing based on ARV.

 I do agree there is little discussion about seasoning on the podcasts or articles.  

Post: BRRRR refinancing costs high

Jeremy EnglandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Pensacola, FL
  • Posts 299
  • Votes 152
Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

Because BRRRR is a cute acronym that doesn't give the whole picture, another member has had to learn RO (Rip-Off fees) the hard way.

The other letter missing is the S for Seasoning. Lots of folks learn that one the hard way also!

Full proper acronym should be BRRSRORR, but it's not cute enough.   Spread the word.

 Not necessrily.  I could have refinanced immediately with a commercial lender at 70pct. But that would be a 20 yr amortized loan with a 7 yr balloon.   So the cashflows wouldnt have been as good and with rates increasing, i would have had to refinance in 7 years.  

If i had expected that i would have planned for it.  Its another tool in the tool belt but in this project i wanted a 30 yr fixed

Post: BRRRR refinancing costs high

Jeremy EnglandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Pensacola, FL
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Originally posted by @Cody DeLong:

@Jeremy England when you say Sofi loan do you mean the company SoFi? They prohibit your from using a personal loan for real estate. Did you just not care and do it anyways or is there a way around it?

Also man I'd be stoked leaving that much in a property. Seriously for a first BRRRR that's awesome. I'm sure you learned some and can kill it on the next

 I dont recall being prohibited.  But at any rate, once you have the money you can put it in whatever acct you want.  My money, there money. Whats the diff if its unsecured.  Ive been a good customer.  

Thanks. Im not negative on the issue. Just didnt exactly come out with no money in it. 

Im good with the cashflows and how much i have invested

Post: Anyone doing small sdira lending?

Jeremy EnglandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Pensacola, FL
  • Posts 299
  • Votes 152

I have an IRA with about 27k in it. Its not my primary retirement investment vehicle. I am currently working with a friend who is planning on opening an sdira with one of the custodians listed on bp. His has about 150k in it and I'll be borrowing from him to fund deals.

I was thinking of converting my small ira to an sdira and doing some lending.  I was thinking of funding rehab costs or transactional lending.  

anyone doing that here? What's been your experiences like

Post: Quicken loans

Jeremy EnglandPosted
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  • Pensacola, FL
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I don't find them competitive for investment properties in terms of fees.  I have excellent credit and cash and they just quoted me at 2.5 points, plus underwriting fees plus other fees. The rates were lower however.  

For a 75k loan my lender costs were at 3700.  I got half that with a local credit union.

I have my personal residence with quicken also and have taken 3 loans with them over the years for other houses i lived in.  So Im not a new customer.  

Post: BRRRR refinancing costs high

Jeremy EnglandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Pensacola, FL
  • Posts 299
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Originally posted by @Earl Hatmaker:

SO you were all in for $78,000 and then after 6 month you still owe $78,000? What did you do with the other $22,000? You say you paid back a "lump sum" but didn't specify how much.

If you have negative cash flow on just the re-fi before taxes, cap-ex, repairs, etc. why not sell it for $95k you said you can get and take your $10k and walk away from this as a learning curve and you made some money. Find another deal do it again. 

People are saying in todays market they cant find a property that cash flows? Why are you buying the deal. If the market turn, which it will, what are you going to do when that house is only worth $75k? Your re-fi isn't being covered, your renter moves out, you have your turn over cost, holding during that time, etc.  You'll be bleeding money into a house that isn't worth what you owe.

DUMP IT... Don't get emotional about the place, if you can make something and learn a lot, SELL IT

I got a loan for 100k amortized over 7 years, bought the house at 62, rehabbed for 16, paid about 3300 in holding costs, and 950 in buying costs.  

I owe 78k because after what was left of the loan after paying all of the above, we paid back in a lump sum.  which was about 19k. 3 k has been paid back in interest via monthly payments.

So ive used roughly 2000 of my own money up til now.  

I anticipate having to pay 2500 or so in closing costs, then repay the balance of 3000 to the personal loan.  

making out of pocket about 7500

Rents are 1000, new payment on the new loan will be 450 or so.  Itll cashflow fine.  

I'm not worried about the house losing 25% of its value.  But should that happen, I'd still be cashflowing.  

I'm not emotional about it at all.  I just thin I can make more than 10k over time

Post: Cashout Refi in Covington GA (outside of Atlanta)

Jeremy EnglandPosted
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  • Pensacola, FL
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You can refi with a commercial loan with no seasoning, usually for shorter term (20 year) or balloon notes.  Probably a lower ltv as well.  70% in most cases.  

But its available in most local banks