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All Forum Posts by: Jeremy Clarke

Jeremy Clarke has started 19 posts and replied 105 times.

Post: The Age Old Question...Sell or Hold?

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27
Originally posted by @Dennis Cosgrave:

You mentioned that you lived in the house for 18 months. When you converted it to a rental property did you file a change in status at that time? If not, you will have to calculate the market value at the time of conversion and that will be your cost base for calculating your capital gain if you choose to sell. As mentioned previously, I would not sell until you have a reinvestment strategy. There is an old saying; Never let the tax tail wag the investment dog. Always make decisions on the merits of the investment itself, and never on tax advantages. Tax laws are constantly changing. What appears advantageous today could turn into a big negative tomorrow. 

Yes it was converted and reported in my taxes the following year. You saying "Tax laws are constantly changing. What appears advantageous today could turn into a big negative tomorrow." seems to validate the fact that I should in fact take advantage of this now and not wait, does it not?

Post: The Age Old Question...Sell or Hold?

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27
Originally posted by @Victor Saumarez:

What is the trigger for the sale? ...keeping up with mortgage payments? Poss downturn? A math approach is admirable, assuming you have faith in your assumptions, but what of practical considerations. You are going to need somewhere to live. If you don’t own, then you will likely be renting so may need to factor in an opportunity cost. Why not wait for two years to capture the CGT allowance? 

 The trigger of the sales is for tax advantages - nothing else. This is not a primary residence. If i wait two years, then i am subject to a 15% penalty (or more) which would be uncle sam taking roughly $20k or more.

Post: The Age Old Question...Sell or Hold?

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27
Originally posted by @Dave Foster:

@Jeremy Clarke, I think a  sale of that property could very well create taxable income which will in turn move your bracket for capital gains.  Your nerdwallet article refers to this.  Get your accountant to run the scenario with a sale in the same year.

Yes it is a capital gain but this year my gains status will be 0%. I have run this scenario with my accountant.

Post: The Age Old Question...Sell or Hold?

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27

@Bill B. That is a good point. I think the same that @Joe Splitrock was getting at as well. I would agree with that perspective that it is more or less a cash-out refinance if you assume the money will be reinvested. 

Post: The Age Old Question...Sell or Hold?

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27

@Joe Splitrock great points and i appreciate you taking the time to respond, as well as you Bill.

Yes 0%. Pretty cool, but the catch is you can't make any money pretty much (ha). I have been lucky enough to take most of the year to enjoy life and travel but now it's time to get back to work. I can't anticipate another time in the next 20 years where i will have a Capital Gains Tax status of 0% so it makes me wonder if i take advantage now.

Cash flow monthly is roughly $200 when i figure in rent minus principle, interest, taxes, insurance (as well as 15% average for operating costs). I don't use property management as it is self managed. So not a huge number but i'm in the black which is great.

I am a realtor, so my costs are only 3% to the sellers agent (or less if i can go off MLS or transaction broker).

Great point on the reinvestment. I don't have a reinvestment strategy today, but hope to by EOY. As you stated though now, the clock is ticking to sell before end of the year. 

Agreed on gains tax laws getting worse in the future. Also on another topic, i highly doubt the homestead exemption is the same set of rules in 1 year.

All that being said, to be clear, you think that taking roughly $130k now would be better than gambling that in 20 years, i could take $700k? I am playing devils advocate a little bit here but only to try and get both sides. Obviously none of us have a crystal ball.

Post: The Age Old Question...Sell or Hold?

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27

@Bill B. Johanna does a nice job of explaining the reasons you might be able to get a pro-ration in the article here. link: 

https://www.nerdwallet.com/community/t/capital-gains-taxes-selling-home/3371/2

Post: The Age Old Question...Sell or Hold?

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27

Bill,

1. Yes. There are exceptions to the rule, as is the case with many tax laws. Here is an article to clarify. I have also discussed this with my tax accountant. Although, as i mentioned in my post, i don't think i would be looking to use the exemption because of my tax status this year.

https://www.thebalance.com/sale-of-your-home-3193496

2. Yes. I mentioned this in my post as well. Which again is why i am pointing out that if i sell the home this year my tax status is 0% because i have no income for this calendar year. 


3. Good point. I am aware of depreciation recapture as i have had to pay it in the past. It should have been included in these numbers. 

Post: The Age Old Question...Sell or Hold?

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27

My house by is worth roughly $385,000 i owe $233,000 on the loan. I bought the house in March, 2015. So if i were to sell the property today then my capital gain would be roughly $152,000. I lived in this house as my primary residence for 18 months which makes me eligible for a pro-rated homestead exemption however, that might not matter - i will explain.

I have not worked at all this year and i expect to make less than $39,375 between now and the end of the calendar year, my long term capital gains tax rate is 0% for 2019 (see https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/taxes/capital-gains-tax-rates/). So as far as I can assume the homestead exemption is moot here and takes a backseat to the fact that I have a net 0% capital gains tax status for 2019.

The question is, do i keep my property and take advantage of my capital gain tax status since i am unemployed, or hold onto. I have made a couple of compounded interest scenarios. Assumptions are that any other year i will be working, i fall into the 15% capital gains tax bracket a well as a 5% compounded interested increase YoY. (On average, my current home's value has increased on average 8% YoY from the time i purchased it until now.)

Scenario 1: Hold on for 5 years

Estimated 5 year value: $494,000

Estimated loan amount: $209,000

Estimated taxable gain: $42,750

Estimated net profit: $242,250

Scenario 2: Hold on for 20 years

Estimated 20 year value: $1,044,366

Estimated loan amount: $137,000

Estimated taxable gain: $136,050

Estimated net profit: $770,950

Obviously there are assumptions made here. Property value increase YoY, the Feds will not change the capital gains rates in consumers favor (not likely), etc.

I could of coarse do a 1031 exchange later on in the future, but as i'm sure you know, the tax penalties are only deferred and they catch up to you the day you go to cash out eventually.

Seems like an obvious one. But still would rather have a collective opinion. What are your thoughts?

Post: Just closed - first out of state buy & hold

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27

Thank you @Dan Barli! Thank you @Trista Fenner! @Matt B., will do!

Post: Just closed - first out of state buy & hold

Jeremy ClarkePosted
  • Investor
  • Denver CO, USA
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 27

@Warren Fanaken, my opinion is a little cash in hand is always good to have. Obviously if you have the cash to buy without a mortgage and have extra then, good for you! You've been doing something right.

A lot of the baby boomers who invested and are now selling their portfolios are selling packages of properties with owner financing. That way they can spread out how hard they get hit with taxes. If you didn't want to pay all cash, i think that may be another option if banks give you a hard time for being from the great north.