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All Forum Posts by: Johann Jells

Johann Jells has started 130 posts and replied 1625 times.

Post: Do you use a Nest thermostat for a rental?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Scott M.:

Again, this is not something I would do in our units but if you are so inclined you could have them set up their own account and you can help them hook the nest into their account.  And then when they leave you reset it and put it back on your account.  Lots of ways of doing this.

A normal thermostat works until it breaks, doesn't rely on any other service.  What happens if it is hacked?  What happens if the service goes down and people can't use them and it is winter?  Their internet goes down?  As a landlord you need to provide heat and now that you are giving them heat that requires a third party tech company (nest) to be up and running and a third party internet provider to work....are you now required to pay for their internet because you require them to have internet to have heat?  We can all laugh but I would not be shocked if some places actually made this a law.  And yes, it requires gas and electric too, just when using a normal thermostat you are cutting down on the issues.  So if you are worried about child porn you should be worried about a few other things.  

Or just get a normal thermostat that has proven to work for decades.  

Thanks Scott, I know you're trying to be helpful, but in your ignorance of the device you're verging on hysteria. If the device loses wifi it continues to function as programmed. I don't get tenants who don't get internet, it's that kind of town. And I've discovered that in the Google Home App you can create multiple homes, and share user control for individual homes without actually sharing a password. That seems workable to me. I'll continue to experiment...

Post: Do you use a Nest thermostat for a rental?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Scott M.:

First question - do we use nest in rental.  Heck no.  But if you are in a class A area with younger, tech savvy, high income earners then I am sure that is expected. But for a normal run of the mill B, C, D area?  No.

Second question - how to cut off access, change the password.  Only give new password to new tenant.  

I know that this may sound like me being an ahole, don't mean to be, but if you couldn't figure that out you should not a have Nest in your rental homes.  

I said exactly that in my OP, so I guess I pass that test. But someone elsewhere said I was creating a legal liability for myself sharing a Gmail account created just for that apartment with the tenant, like what if they used it to download child porn or something. Seemed paranoid to me, but these are weird times. My units rent for upwards of $1600, mostly to college educated young professionals, don't know where that puts me on the alphabet. I had one tenant request I install his Nest for him.

Post: Do you use a Nest thermostat for a rental?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

I wouldn't use such technology in a rental. It's 5x the cost of a standard thermostat, it's more complex to set up and maintain, it's harder to transition to the next renter, and it's more likely to break.

Sometimes dumber is better.

But it can be an 'upscale feature' when renting, and my utility is giving them away. I've never had a thermostat of any kind break, even the old mechanical ones, but the complexity is a possible issue. Fortunately my tenants are all young digital natives, and probably find this stuff easier than we do!

Post: Do you use a Nest thermostat for a rental?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

If you use a Nest thermostat for a rental how do you hand off control to a new tenant and terminate control of the old one? Do you create a gmail account for the apartment, share the PW, and change the PW when it turns over?

Post: Nest Thermostat

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

I know it's an old thread, but I was searching to see what people thought of Nests for rentals. My utility is actually giving the Nest-E away.  Seems like a good idea to me, but the support for new tenants having to learn it's ways seems like it could be a hassle. 

BTW, I've found the best plan for minor internet service like these need is an old cell phone as a hotspot with a supercheap data only plan. I have a 1gb plan for a video intercom that only costs $7/mo.

Post: Who paints their entire inside of their house the same color?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

All my rentals are over $1600, I paint my walls BM Superhide eggshell Navajo White, a warm 'parchment' off white, trim semigloss Behr color Swiss Coffee (though I have it made up in BM Ultraspec) and ceilings flat white. I hate the gray wall trend. My buildings are all 100+ years old, gray is like a miniskirt & tats on a 80 year old!

Post: How do you track your expenses? Looking for best practices

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875
Originally posted by @Bruce Woodruff:

I use Wave. It's free and works well enough for me. Syncs with bank accounts to upload all income and expenses, I just have to make sure that the categories are correct.

If you're a big time operator, it might not be enough, but up to 5 properties it should be fine.

 I was excited to hear of what sounded like a good alternative to Quicken, which has not been maintained well recently. But screwing around with it is not encouraging. Just the fact that they call both banking/credit accounts and categories "accounts" is absurdly and unnecessarily confusing. Not looking good, but I'll keep playing. One thing that has me there is that they say they'll import Quicken data. I was reluctant to move to any app that didn't let me migrate my decades of data. Often Quicken is the easiest way to remember what contractor did the roof on 2004 or such.

Post: How do you track your expenses? Looking for best practices

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

I don't know how you all are spending money that needs paper receipts. 99% of my expenditures are either ACH or CC autopay's to utilities, banks or other regular things, or paid by credit card to Lowes or HD who email receipts to my 'landlord' email with the PO (unit or property) I entered at checkout. Those get autosorted to a folder. I download the bank and CC statements to venerable and inexpensive old Quicken, which also prints the rare checks to contractors etc, where I categorize them and they're ready for a report to the accountant. I know where every dime went and never ever pay cash if I can help it. All my tenants are ACH deposits from Apartments.com, so income is all there too.  Contractor receipts go in a shoebox for the hopefully never audit.

Post: Tiling a shower or installing prefab panels?

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

I agree there's great variation in the prefab surrounds. The cheap glue up PVC ones suck. The nice fiberglass ones can really hold up, I've installed 5 Sterling 4 pc surrounds in very small baths and they've been terrific, have kept pretty clean.

Post: NJ landlord tenant hearings in court

Johann JellsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Jersey City, NJ
  • Posts 1,632
  • Votes 875

Good news, nonpayment is the one way to always successfully evict! At least was pre-covid. The court doesn't entertain stories of vermin or maintenance if the tenants don't have the money there on the day. No payment in full means judgement for the landlord. Thankfully it's been a while since I was in housing court, and I've only been twice, but I recall it was less than 6 weeks total.

Of course, 'winning' is only half the battle, since the tenant now has an eviction on their record and won't get an apartment from any responsible landlord. I was basically blackmailed into rescinding the eviction and saying it was a misunderstanding in order to actually get rid of nightmare tenants, the kind that you worry will burn the place down.