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All Forum Posts by: Jeff C.

Jeff C. has started 8 posts and replied 263 times.

Post: Why is Rent still due during COVID-19?

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597
Originally posted by @Dan H.:

I seldom disagree with Jay, but I am confident that a mass majority of our C class tenants will make good on any rent they are short through this crisis.  How sure?  If I am wrong, I offer to take Jay to a steakhouse for dinner next time he is in San Diego.  Not a wager, I am not expecting anything from Jay if I am correct.  

This is hilarious. You can kiss that back rent goodbye. @Jay Hinrichs, how do you like your steak?!

Post: Why is Rent still due during COVID-19?

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Jeff Cagle I am also glad you’re not a landlord. We really don’t need any more jerks in this business. I am so surprised and disappointed that this generation of investors has not the character nor the courage to endure this crisis with some dignity. There is nothing but a bunch of complaints about something that hasn’t even happened yet. If all you have is a hammer, all you see is nails. This is a problem sure, but it is also an opportunity to be something better than you were yesterday.

Anyone who thinks that they're simply due someone else's resources is a jerk of the highest order. Hey, remember that time a landlord was having a tough time financially, so all the tenants in the building banded together and paid extra rent to keep them afloat? Yeah, me neither. "Sharing the burden" works in only one direction. I pay an obscene amount in taxes annually, which the government is liberally doling out. There's my contribution. I'm relatively certain that I'm handling a greater share of this burden than you are. You're welcome.

Post: Why is Rent still due during COVID-19?

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Robert M. 

I don't believe the Restaurant analogy is correctly aligned with what we are facing as landlords.  A tighter analogy would be if there were a law passed stating that someone could ask for food and get it for free, or at a discount of whatever they felt like paying, and the restaurant owner would be forced to give out that food.  Then if they were no longer able to pay their bills and close down they could be berated by someone like you for not being properly prepared for the situation.  



 Totally agree on this. I've been wondering if forcing landlords to provide a service without remuneration is even constitutional. The government is effectively commandeering your assets for what it's classifying as a wartime use. Can that be done without any remuneration? For a lot of landlords, virtually all of their wealth and resource is in their properties. What other business would ever be forced to continue to provide services with no remuneration?

Jeff think of Tesla forced to close down their factory and then they jumped into making ventilators I doubt they can pay the bills even if they charge for the generators.. 

Think of Tesla being forced to stay open and produce cars, just not charge anything for them.

Post: Why is Rent still due during COVID-19?

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597



 Totally agree on this. I've been wondering if forcing landlords to provide a service without remuneration is even constitutional. The government is effectively commandeering your assets for what it's classifying as a wartime use. Can that be done without any remuneration? For a lot of landlords, virtually all of their wealth and resource is in their properties. What other business would ever be forced to continue to provide services with no remuneration?

Post: Why is Rent still due during COVID-19?

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Heather Frusco What you should do is imagine yourself as a person with good character and go back and rewrite this tutorial, because this is trash. If you lack the compassion or simply do not understand the gravity of the situation, then I suggest you get educated. EVERYONE is affected by this crisis and if you feel so compelled to write this diatribe patting yourself on your back about how ‘prepared’ you are, then clearly you were not prepared. This IS everyone’s burden. Instead of being reactionary, be proactive. Reach out to all your tenants and find out how they are affected. Let them know that you care (if that is possible for you) and that we are in this together. If they have lost a job or some significant income, reduce the rent to something manageable. It will be appreciated and won’t leave you with an empty mailbox and stack of unsatisfied eviction notices. I hope this helps.

If they've lost income, at this point that income is going to be made up by the government (PLUS $1200 per adult and $500 per child just because). There's going to be no excuse for not paying rent (maybe an excuse for being late), but many simply won't do it anyway because there are going to be no repercussions, and a system produces what it incentivizes every time. In the same way we had an ocean of elective foreclosures in California during the last downturn, there WILL be a ton of tenants who elect to not pay rent simply because the mechanism of enforcement of the payment of rent has been removed. Just you wait. Let me know how "appreciative" your tenants have been in 4 months.

I've got to say, I've never been more happy in my life to not be a landlord. 

Post: $3.4B value of a life? 593 deaths $2 trillion stimulus

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597

Well, there will obviously be many more deaths still yet.. but also, the aggregate economic loss from the shutdown and reverberating effects is going to be far greater than just what the government spends on stimulus. These numbers will be argued about for decades to come, and entirely incalculable because what we are really concerned with is the number of deaths that DIDN'T occur because of the measures taken, which will always be unknowable.

Post: Yellow letters.com Horrible Experience

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Jeff C.:
eOriginally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Adrien C.:

@Account Closed your math is off- it’s like 175 calls. I batch it into 6 weekly mailings of 10k each. I have a full time in house lead assistant who takes all the incoming calls. Between mail, ppc, website, and other stuff- she usually has about 40 calls a week. About 60% are “leads” meaning that want to sell. Out of that, she’ll set around 15 appointments and we can close 20%. She also does follow up with old leads that didn’t set an appointment yet and any one we made offers on over 90 days ago. She stays pretty busy. 

For those wondering about in house vs VA- I wanted the control in house. A VA doesn't know the different towns. For example, many of you would get excited about someone wanting $25k for a house. But if you know my area and realize that's Gary, IN, that's not a price I'd pay. So because of the ability to train her daily, she's good at knowing what and where we buy and doesn't set up appointments that will waste her time. Is she more expensive than a $3 VA- absolutely. But she's worth ever cent we pay her (close to $50k last year).

@Adrien S. Your Comment: "But 0.25% of 65K still generates enough leads for DMM to be profitable"

My Comment: That's 16,250 phone calls. How do you handle the incoming load?

 Got it. So, your 0.25% is a bit closer to 0.00269231% Looks like you may have left out a couple of leading zeros after the period. No worries.

I spend about a $1 a letter (envelope, paper, ink, stamp, labor) and about $0.50 a post card (printing, stamp)

About how much are they charging to get 65,000 postcards out?

Wow. You truly don't understand the difference between .25% and 25%, yet you're in here trying to correct Adrien, who had his numbers exactly right. .25% = one quarter of one percent. Not 25%. Can't believe I even need to say this.

You win. You must have read "How To Win Friends and Influence people". Now the question is, would anyone want to invest with you? Probably not twice. ;-)

I'm not looking for anyone to "invest with me".. however if I was, at least they could rest assured that they were partnered with someone who can work a decimal point.

Post: Yellow letters.com Horrible Experience

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597
eOriginally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Adrien C.:

@Account Closed your math is off- it’s like 175 calls. I batch it into 6 weekly mailings of 10k each. I have a full time in house lead assistant who takes all the incoming calls. Between mail, ppc, website, and other stuff- she usually has about 40 calls a week. About 60% are “leads” meaning that want to sell. Out of that, she’ll set around 15 appointments and we can close 20%. She also does follow up with old leads that didn’t set an appointment yet and any one we made offers on over 90 days ago. She stays pretty busy. 

For those wondering about in house vs VA- I wanted the control in house. A VA doesn't know the different towns. For example, many of you would get excited about someone wanting $25k for a house. But if you know my area and realize that's Gary, IN, that's not a price I'd pay. So because of the ability to train her daily, she's good at knowing what and where we buy and doesn't set up appointments that will waste her time. Is she more expensive than a $3 VA- absolutely. But she's worth ever cent we pay her (close to $50k last year).

@Adrien S. Your Comment: "But 0.25% of 65K still generates enough leads for DMM to be profitable"

My Comment: That's 16,250 phone calls. How do you handle the incoming load?

 Got it. So, your 0.25% is a bit closer to 0.00269231% Looks like you may have left out a couple of leading zeros after the period. No worries.

I spend about a $1 a letter (envelope, paper, ink, stamp, labor) and about $0.50 a post card (printing, stamp)

About how much are they charging to get 65,000 postcards out?

Wow. You truly don't understand the difference between .25% and 25%, yet you're in here trying to correct Adrien, who had his numbers exactly right. .25% = one quarter of one percent. Not 25%. Can't believe I even need to say this.

Post: How to handle a contractor mistake

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597
Originally posted by @J Scott:
Originally posted by @Jeff C.:

I'm really surprised at how many "this is entirely your fault" responses the OP is getting. People here must tolerate a lot more nonsense out of their contractors than I do.

Seems the opposite to me. 

When you learn to accept responsibility for every aspect of your business, you don't tolerate any nonsense, as that nonsense is reflection of your failure.

When you blame others for problems in your business, it's easy to accept the nonsense and chalk it up to, "Well, it wasn't my fault...nothing I could have done..."

Just my $.02...

The way I exert "responsibility" over independent contractors is by firing their arses if they can't perform.. not by coddling them. I'm not effetely asking "oh what ever could I have done?".. I'm saying they're either fixing the garbage work, for free, or they're fired, for ever.

By the way, nobody worth a crap would even push back on fixing this. It's not whether mistakes will happen (they always will).. it's how they're handled when they do happen. Everyone I have working for me fixes their own screwups without complaint. Anyone who whines, cries, grumbles, and resists when it comes to fixing their own errors has to go. 

Post: How to handle a contractor mistake

Jeff C.Posted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bakersfield, CA
  • Posts 269
  • Votes 597

No way I'd pay a contractor for disregarding my explicit instructions. You pay them to do what you want them to do, not whatever they feel like doing. I spent my first couple of years in the flipping business doing everything myself. If I have to stand there and watch these guys work then they may as well go home. It took me a looong time to find guys who can carry out my instructions without me constantly correcting them.. but you MUST have people who can perform like this if you're ever going to really grow your business. You can't be running around telling these guys to tie their shoes every morning. I'm really surprised at how many "this is entirely your fault" responses the OP is getting. People here must tolerate a lot more nonsense out of their contractors than I do. I expect them to perform well not just when I'm standing there, but when I'm away as well. That said, I do try to get progress pictures along the way. We have the technology! Use it.