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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 2 posts and replied 25 times.

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Excuse my beer math:

2.5 hours = 150 miles-ish
Say 300 miles each day
avg 30mph = 10 gallons of gas each day
$22 gas/day 
22 working days/mo = $484/mo in gas

Oil changes at 3k miles = 2 oil changes/mo= $160/mo

You're almost at $650/mo in additional expenses each month, not including add'l wear and tear and accelerated depreciation on the vehicle. 

My biggest question is, what would be more important? Getting this ONE property, or living closer to work and saving yourself $650 dollars and 110 hours of time each month?

Honest question: What do you think you could get accomplished in your investing career if you spent that $650/mo on marketing, and 110 hours a month on learning, networking, and finding deals? :)

Either way, good luck to you!

 duty stations are temporary. When it is all said and done, I want to live in Florida. The benefit of the duplex for me is having a tenant living at my address without living in my house to pay my mortgage for me. Real estate investing is something that I am interested in but it is not something i am actively currently pursuing. This house is about finding my home.

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

it is a family common situation and you don"t have to commute every day or you can stay with a friend near work some days The letter is the key  The lender should be able to help you  Here is a quick thread

https://www.ovmfinancial.com/va-mortgage-guidelines-for-determining-if-primary-residence-is-within-a-reasonable-commute-to-work/

 thank you so much. I am working on a letter now and will consult this

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Chatree C.:

In the Bay Area, people commute 2+ hour one way easily if work and home are in San Francisco and Silicon Valley. And people are getting conventional loan fine here. So I'd find different lender who can help you with your situation.

i was interested in a VA loan or other loan program that wouldn't require such a high downpayment

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Bill Goodland:

Is there a specific reason your so dead set on getting this property? Even if the projected returns are 5% better than something local, is it really worth the extra time and effort of that commute?

 its not about the returns. I want to live in Florida and the duplex is just so someone else can pay my mortgage.

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Frank Chin:
Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

A 3 hour commute? Thats the distance from New York City to Washington DC. If i were an underwriter, I wouldnt believe it either.

 A co-worker of mine did a 2-1/2  plus commute from Philadelphia to NYC everyday. I didn't know him that well and I was even shocked that he did it for 30 years. He did it by bus though. Says he gets up 4:00am and in the office by 9:00am. I learned this at his retirement party.

I thought no one else does that till my wife had a co-worker that bought a house in Philadelphia, and commuted to downtown Manhattan every day. We were house hunting in NYC, and in the early 80's, a SFR in good areas go for 150K in the high interest environment of over 15% for mortgages.

I got invited to the co-worker's house in Philly. They got the house for around 40K, a mansion that needs a little work on it's own lot. The had three times the room for a third of the price in NYC. He tells me they ran across a number of others doing the same since he moved there. So for them, the commute was worth it.

Back then, Philly prices were ridiculous low compared to NYC and even thought of doing the commute ourselves. Unfortunately all the good paying jobs are in NYC, such as finance and IT. My wife's friend in Philly got a $20,000 inheritance, bought a duplex for $40K, the tenant rent covered the mortgage and she lived rent free from day one. She was 27 years old just out of college a few years at the time. She was fortunate to be stock broker for Dean Witter, made enough to pay the mortgage off in 4 years.

Having considered it, we house hunted ourselves in Philly for a while, it's a choice of getting and keeping a good paying job, maintain a career path and live in a dump, or have the same good paying job, and living somewhere you rather be but enduring a long commute. Yes, we took choice one, we stayed in NYC, and the place we got was a dump compared to Philly.

 this experience taught me how uncommon a long commute can be. I have friends that travel from upstate ny, ct, mass to go to work in the city so it really seemed like a normal thing to me.that may be a unique aspect of working in a place like ny where the cost of living is so high. However for me, the quality of living i want is just not available near my current base so that's why I made the choice i did. Plus, i love Florida and Pensacola is close to my base and other military bases too so its an ideal place for me 

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 10

There are plenty of people who have jobs that require them to travel often or have jobs that have long commutes via multiple modes of transportation and still have a place they call home when the traveling is done. I can't imagine that all of these people would be unable to get a loan so, again, I think it comes back to language. If anyone has gotten a VA loan for a house that is more than 30 minutes from work, your feedback would be very helpful.

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
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I appreciate the feedback on getting a place closer to my job but it would be more constructive for me to get assistance on how to present my loan request so it is more favorable to a potential under writer. Thank you.

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
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 I dont know why it would be. I cant live in both sides of a duplex...

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by :
Originally posted by

I want to buy a house 2.5 hours from my duty station.

I am assuming you are active duty military ?  Does unit unit allow that ?  I was required to be within 30 minutes without special permission from the Battalion Commander

My unit doesn’t have any restrictions like that

Post: Lender says “no loan for a 5 hour commute”. HELP

Account ClosedPosted
  • Montgomery, AL
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by :
Originally posted by

I want to buy a house 2.5 hours from my duty station. I watched my mom travel 3 hours to and from work (6 hours round trip) when ahe worked in NY and she wanted us to go to a good school in NJ so this is normal to me. However, I have spoken to USAA and Freedom Mortgage and their underwriters found the commute to be to unreasonable for the house to be my primary residence. I am ready to wake up 4, get to work at 7, then get back home at 7. The house is a 140K duplex with a tenant and under contract. How do I find an underwriter that will accept that it will be my primary residence? I dont have the assets for a 25% down payment for a conventional loan. I just did the home inspection and termite inspection, $700.

 This one might come down to how it's packaged/presented. I'm not licensed in Alabama, but with a good letter from you I feel that I could sell this to underwriting.

Something that might help would be a history of long commutes. If your current commute is 2 hours each way, and this is bumping it to 2.5 hours, document that to make it easier to sell. If your current commute is a 5 minute walk and you're bumping it to 2.5 hours, that would be harder to sell.

This one is up to the humans. The human LO you work with who packages it, your human story, and the human underwriter. There's no hard-and-fast explicit rule in the guidelines that I've ever seen.

 I do think that there is something about the way that I am presenting it that is a red flag. I was just discussing that with someone Right now, my permanent residence is in maryland so getting a place in fl is significantly better. Do you think you can work with me on my story to get an LO to buy into it? I did get advised to write a letter as well. I just can’t imagine I am the only person who travels often for work to apply for this type of loan.